Tribe.net. Local Connections S. Archer http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#5e001f78-8975-44fc-9500-fae9a1cc22b4 2007-12-23T18:54:37Z 2007-12-23T18:54:37Z

I agree, Ms. Scarlett. I think the main problem is that the knowledge that one employee is walking the plank should remain a supervisory issue, and confidential. But in this case, they really wanted to retain the other employee, so they felt they needed to tip their hand. It sucks, but the other option was to fire the first employee right before the holiday, for which they would have been vilified, too.

S. Archer 2007-12-23T18:54:37Z Charles http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#27d1d959-7953-401f-80ed-e751482a9299 2007-12-22T02:38:42Z 2007-12-22T02:38:42Z

Change is always a bit disorienting. Hope it works out for the best.

Charles 2007-12-22T02:38:42Z Xiomara http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#9493bdef-47c4-46ee-b350-342832365936 2007-12-22T02:16:02Z 2007-12-22T02:16:02Z

<< Is there the possibility that you might feel uneasy about assuming additional responsibility? >> Nope, I've had the same position at a different school before and not to toot my own horn but I'm very good at this job. Kids trust me and know I listen to them and so do parents.

Xiomara 2007-12-22T02:16:02Z Charles http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#b8069f00-c0bf-465e-a941-90cc2b700e58 2007-12-22T01:53:47Z 2007-12-22T01:53:47Z

Frequently there are times when management will confide in an employee to receive feedback and let them know about an opportunity. They could just go outside. From a business POV, I see nothing wrong with what they're doing. Seems like you have an opportunity. You can roll with it or concoct a bunch of reasons as to why something is the matter. Is there the possibility that you might feel uneasy about assuming additional responsibility? As to why companies frequently don't give people notice before letting them go. Well, just read the posts here. The employee could be Adolf Hitler working at the company, but if people found out he was going to get fired, a movement (however small) would emerge that would try and save his job. Such is generally the case.

Charles 2007-12-22T01:53:47Z Supernova http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#1e6b6249-7a13-427e-bfb3-56ee7a53f0d7 2007-12-21T23:56:07Z 2007-12-21T23:55:46Z

I like perks- even if I have to give them to myself- if I have to suffer at the hands of an evil company- I would like to be compensated to my liking >)

Supernova 2007-12-21T23:55:46Z $item.owner.firstName http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#5390da84-a6f3-4765-8d8a-0934a80fa835 2007-12-21T10:45:03Z 2007-12-21T10:45:03Z

I understand. My former workplace was very similar from what you say (Though of course I'm only speculating). The objectives and mission statement were very laudable: including child-centred teaching and community outreach. I say they were full of shit because of what was an apparent disjunction between their community profile and their treatment of their own staff, which was exploitative, unfair & uncaring. I expected more because they claimed to be more. Many of my colleagues were wonderful people and I was very sad to leave them. I think these orgs just burn good people up. (I know I was just the latest in a long line.) Best wishes in resolving your own situation.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-12-21T10:45:03Z Elizabeth http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#59465301-b197-4c01-9f50-73bd56063b17 2007-12-21T06:32:41Z 2007-12-21T06:32:41Z

I've been reading what the others have said, and considering this...it's not an easy situation for any of the people involved, including your employer. If you had already told her that you were considering leaving for personal reasons, then it would make a great deal of sense for her to want to give you the incentive of promotion after they let your co-worker go in a month; and you shouldn't hold it against her that she shared this with you now, so you can plan on staying (or leaving if you feel too uncomfortable) to take over after the holidays and your co-worker gets her two weeks notice. It happens all the time that people who are getting promoted become privy to that information, often at the expense of others. It's part of being a manager or supervisor. If your employer feels strongly about your supervisor's incompetencies, yet doesn't want to let her go before the holidays and is more than willing to give her an extra month on the job for her sake, then it's really her prerogative to do so. It's your prerogative to decide if that's something you can be okay with, however. It's completely within your rights to go to your employer and ask her to give your supervisor notice that she's decided to let her go a month from now. You can say that she's put you in an awkward position of feeling like lying by omission, and that you having a difficult time dealing with it. Tell your employer that you have no intention of talking to your supervisor yourself, but that you'd be grateful, for the sake of both you and your supervisor, if she could have plenty of notice and time to let you transition into her role while she is still there. If your employer is smart, she'll recognize that you have valuable traits, including honesty, that she should respect...and do what you ask. If not, you may very well have your answer... Good luck! And congratulations on the promotion, even if you aren't sure if you want it under the present circumstances. Kisses, Ms. Scarlett ;-)

Elizabeth 2007-12-21T06:32:41Z Xiomara http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#78de4613-21d0-4cc0-8620-44e81f6d8b10 2007-12-21T05:54:27Z 2007-12-21T05:53:58Z

<<Yeah, yeah. I just quit a similiar organisation because they are full of s**t. >> Though my employer may be acting from poor decision making in this matter the organization is not at all full of shit, sorry to hear yours was. We have great teachers who work really hard to completely fulfill the philosophy and maintain a creative child-led learning environment. Everyone there has tremendous respect for children and yes it is a total shame that someone has forgotten how to extend that respect to another adult but the organization is in no way full of shit. I truly wish there was a way to share the amazing work we do with all children.

Xiomara 2007-12-21T05:53:58Z Xiomara http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#7696866d-e94b-4277-b9f2-c9fb6b39226f 2007-12-21T05:31:04Z 2007-12-21T05:31:04Z

No, I've already told them that I had been contemplating leaving for personal reasons and they've let me know they definitely want to do whatever they can to keep me around. Plus there is no way they would want the hassle of having to replace two of us at the same time.

Xiomara 2007-12-21T05:31:04Z skooter http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#342030db-2661-4ae8-a7f9-0ab6e8b3ae7f 2007-12-21T05:18:59Z 2007-12-21T05:18:59Z

Maybe they aren't really intending to fire this other person. Maybe they're trying to get rid of them both. These are distinct possibilities.

skooter 2007-12-21T05:18:59Z $item.owner.firstName http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#2ef22c55-d37a-4667-b1ec-93098e53a1a5 2007-12-21T03:43:33Z 2007-12-21T03:43:33Z

Mr. LK, there is a 4th option. Talk to the employer about the uncomfortable position she's been put in. To just be completely up front and honest about how uncomfortable it is to be asked to walk this razor's edge...calling upon every diplomatic skill she has, of course. This is emotional blackmail. She's been given information that can destroy her job and/or destroy someone else's job. Someone she admires to some degree. If she divulges this information, she hurts herself. If she doesn't, she is forced to comply with hurting someone else and her ability to respect hr employers will no doubt be called into serious question. Sounds like it already has I think the blame needs to placed squarely on the shoulders of those who chose to take this action. -K

$item.owner.firstName 2007-12-21T03:43:33Z $item.owner.firstName http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#0e925613-53dc-43ff-9494-085deefa5163 2007-12-21T03:34:20Z 2007-12-21T03:34:20Z

I can't help but wonder what their motivation was in telling you this! It's beyond unprofessional...it's catty and manipulative. -K

$item.owner.firstName 2007-12-21T03:34:20Z $item.owner.firstName http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#70774093-b77b-4202-b8b9-c55080236028 2007-12-20T23:08:49Z 2007-12-20T23:08:49Z

Sounds typical. I've seen that kind of thing before. It makes me uncomfortable. You are either in or out. When your out they won't tell you until it is too late. It's not your fault though. It looks like from your post that you can't do much about it without things coming back on you. Remember though if he/she would do it to that employee they would do it to you if things moved that way.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-12-20T23:08:49Z Xiomara http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#0df2ac49-0b73-4602-9ff5-d9fd2963870f 2007-12-20T14:42:40Z 2007-12-20T14:42:40Z

<<Maybe they were trying to make sure they have someone to step into her shoes>> Yes, in this particular situation that is very important for them. Parents and community board members get particularly anxious when their seem to be any holes at all in an education setting. It is important for them to have what appears to be a seamless transition to not disrupt the lives of the children. I get this, and in many ways they aren't wrong about that. Also our responsibility is to provide the most enriched and fulfilling environment possible for the children. In some ways it is irresponsible for them to not act if they see a place for improvment but I just don't like the way this is going down. Education wise I am a bit more qualified but we both have vast experience and she has great ideas so what it really comes down to is implementation and communication.

Xiomara 2007-12-20T14:42:40Z saddha http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#73d4ec4f-c9f3-43e5-8f1e-0e0e17d5da3d 2007-12-20T14:29:03Z 2007-12-20T14:29:03Z

Thirty >> They have symbolically placed you in a position whereby your only choices are to: 1. Accept the job /knife your colleague. 2. Tell your colleague/betray them (she'd probably betray you) 3. Quit/lose everything (not your soul :) ). << Very interesting analysis.

saddha 2007-12-20T14:29:03Z $item.owner.firstName http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#c6a03f0c-7d27-4b7a-b42c-a6b65e1a8228 2007-12-20T12:30:01Z 2007-12-20T12:30:01Z

"That is the funny thing about it all. My job is about as far from corporate as you can get. My type of school is supposedly all about communication and child inspired learning where we help the children find their voices through artistic expression and cognitive exploration. Children are constantly given the tools to handle their own conflicts and use their words to express when they are unhappy with a situation and then find a way to go forth and change it. Yet somehow this lesson isn't translating into our adult worlds." Yeah, yeah. I just quit a similiar organisation because they are full of s**t.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-12-20T12:30:01Z $item.owner.firstName http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#77b4a56a-8944-4ced-b512-cba392fd494c 2007-12-20T12:21:13Z 2007-12-20T12:21:13Z

This corporate behaviour has a mafia/occult element. It's about making you one of the gang/sell your soul. A symbolic 'kill' .They have symbolically placed you in a position whereby your only choices are to: 1. Accept the job /knife your colleague. 2. Tell your colleague/betray them (she'd probably betray you) 3. Quit/lose everything (not your soul :) ). I'm not saying these ARE your only options. No one can predict the contingency of fate. But they appear to be your options. I offer no advice. Make your choice and live with it.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-12-20T12:21:13Z Bloke. Trivia Pimp http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#a8fdb828-9d77-4aea-a039-1e206930aebe 2007-12-20T07:48:18Z 2007-12-20T07:48:18Z

<<It is almost as if they are offering you some sort of backhanded reward for firing her. Very strange.>> Strange, Maybe they were trying to make sure they have someone to step into her shoes.. or simply were doing the "let's share a secret" thing... Either way I agree that it is unprofessional to communicate the possibility that she may get fired to someone who is answerable to the person to be fired and may replace them.. A thought.. do you think the person who told you this is hoping you stab her in the back or that the person who told you this holds you in some sort of affection and is trying to use the situation to become closer to you ? Why did they tell you might hold some answers.. .

Bloke. Trivia Pimp 2007-12-20T07:48:18Z ☼Sunshine☼ http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#b58e5582-ebab-46d6-b4f2-5d00c4b416ac 2007-12-20T00:32:04Z 2007-12-20T00:32:04Z

This situation has presented itself to you for a reason ... You have to choose ... this says a lot about you too.... So how would you create this is a win/win way ... You know ... somewhere deep inside there ... what to do ............ do that ...............

☼Sunshine☼ 2007-12-20T00:32:04Z Xiomara http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#98be1de2-0b26-4399-9001-00b320ab980a 2007-12-20T00:25:19Z 2007-12-20T00:25:19Z

<<Furthermore, you seem to be assuming that this woman losing her job is the worst thing in the world...but perhaps it isn't the right fit for her anyway. You can only see a small part of the picture that is her life. >> No, I don't think I am assuming that it is the worst thing in the world for her at all but I do think anyone losing their job in this way is unfortunate and I do actually know about some of the happenings in her life and this job really does mean a whole lot to her.

Xiomara 2007-12-20T00:25:19Z *B* http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#18ca1e23-604a-4a83-bb54-f1f4397cb670 2007-12-19T23:47:41Z 2007-12-19T23:46:55Z

Unfortunately, I have found through my own experience with companies that do this kind of thing - the people they put into these situations are often the first ones they decide to let go later. Ethics is not a strong suit for employers like this, typically they *use* good employees like you to accomplish their own goals and have no problem turning around and rewarding you with the same behavior. I agree with the advice to seek employment with a more ethical company, but do so without letting them know you are looking. As you pointed out, you need the income but you also need to know that you won't be terminated without warning as they are planning to do with this collegue of yours. It's bad buisness practice and what goes around usually comes around.

*B* 2007-12-19T23:46:55Z $item.owner.firstName http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#9d0cc55b-128d-4aed-b1b4-bfc127931b10 2007-12-19T18:53:27Z 2007-12-19T18:53:27Z

you'd think they'd want to fire her right at Christmas, that's so popular among ethic-less employers I agree with the view that if you tell her, you won't help her and you will hurt yourself - as cynical as that is, it's real. It sure would be nice if there were some way, somehow, where your co-worker could get a hint, though - in some way that could never be linked to you - a hint that maybe she should start getting her resumes out there before she loses the significant still-employed advantage -- looking for a job after already having lost one is really difficult, I think (except, IMO, in the music and film industries where so much happens because of politics and personalities and being fired does not necessarily count against you, and in certain circles can actually count in your favor). And of course, the really creepy part of this is that you, yourself, know for sure that you can't trust your employer. It's like "Survivor," isn't it? Can you really be sure they intend to fire her, not you? You'll never know. I'd start job hunting, not ferociously but soon. This employer's sneaky.

$item.owner.firstName 2007-12-19T18:53:27Z quel qu'un http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#e6aa94f2-15e2-46d9-af4f-01298439054a 2007-12-19T17:26:54Z 2007-12-19T17:26:54Z

I think Jsin's right. It was terribly unprofessional of them to tell you and put you in such an awkward position. If they're not being straighforward with her, how will you know they're being straight with you? Bringing it up to them doesn't seem safe for you so it might be best to move on.

quel qu'un 2007-12-19T17:26:54Z CG http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#9ed97ae3-ff70-433e-b30f-53c4748375a1 2007-12-19T16:27:31Z 2007-12-19T16:27:31Z

I don't know, this is a tough call. I have left over dishonesty and cruelty toward others and all it did was cause a mess in my own life. At the end of the day, you are not powerful enough to change these people. It has taken them their entire lifetime to become the way they are, and nobody can undo that with a single action. Furthermore, you seem to be assuming that this woman losing her job is the worst thing in the world...but perhaps it isn't the right fit for her anyway. You can only see a small part of the picture that is her life. I would encourage an open dialog with your superiors about honesty... You might inform them that it feels awkward to keep this secret and you mean no disrespect but simply aren't sure if you can last a month... Or mention that you prefer direct honesty and ask about what would happen if they were unhappy with your performance-- would you be notified? Unfortunately I think it is true that unhealthy workplace dynamics are a simple fact.... You have to pick your battles and sometimes that means not fighting other people's for them.....

CG 2007-12-19T16:27:31Z ☼Sunshine☼ http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#ca52f865-406a-4b49-b313-453d1ea82ab0 2007-12-19T16:14:22Z 2007-12-19T16:14:22Z

Just remember ... You will be next in the same way ........... unless ofcourse ... you can impact this situation ... and it unfolds differently ....

☼Sunshine☼ 2007-12-19T16:14:22Z saddha http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#76296fe7-a068-42ab-a7b3-956302ef15ec 2007-12-19T15:46:16Z 2007-12-19T15:46:16Z

JSin >> If it is any consolation then.. really it is poor management to let an underling know about a proposed action prior to taking it... They should have axed her then approached you. << It is almost as if they are offering you some sort of backhanded reward for firing her. Very strange.

saddha 2007-12-19T15:46:16Z Xiomara http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#a67cf63b-5731-438b-8770-3a229781a4b9 2007-12-19T14:29:50Z 2007-12-19T14:29:50Z

<<I would likely be loking for other employment...Without their knowledge of course because their insecurity likely will end up with you fired >> It is too bad, but I think you may be right about this. I have to really think on this.

Xiomara 2007-12-19T14:29:50Z Xiomara http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#1939829d-906b-4c64-927b-3c3e600d711f 2007-12-19T14:27:02Z 2007-12-19T14:27:02Z

<<Power games in the corporate world suck big time>> That is the funny thing about it all. My job is about as far from corporate as you can get. My type of school is supposedly all about communication and child inspired learning where we help the children find their voices through artistic expression and cognitive exploration. Children are constantly given the tools to handle their own conflicts and use their words to express when they are unhappy with a situation and then find a way to go forth and change it. Yet somehow this lesson isn't translating into our adult worlds.

Xiomara 2007-12-19T14:27:02Z saddha http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#641bae2f-54a8-42ab-b36a-8356eefb09d0 2007-12-19T14:00:01Z 2007-12-19T14:00:01Z

elaine >> Power games in the corporate world suck big time << Power games suck in *any* world. :)

saddha 2007-12-19T14:00:01Z Elaine~ http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#e56e1270-9af5-4d54-be26-09266cca4aae 2007-12-19T08:07:52Z 2007-12-19T08:07:52Z

What a mess. I might have some pertinent words in a while, but right now you have my full sympathy. Power games in the corporate world suck big time

Elaine~ 2007-12-19T08:07:52Z Gobo Joe http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#adf356ce-0735-4274-929d-9266b9cb900b 2007-12-19T07:58:59Z 2007-12-19T07:58:59Z

Really sounds like the company has some messed up priorities. Head games like this can ruin what might have been an excellent team. It also sounds like you might not have any other choice but to stick it out and say nothing. As was stated above, the scrutiny is probably on you at this point. Spill the beans and you may be in the unemployment line. Sucks that you're going through this at xmas. In the end you have to do the things that make your life work for you: home, family, income, etc... It might be ruthless, but would you really rather it was you?

Gobo Joe 2007-12-19T07:58:59Z JSin http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#df516ac0-1894-4783-8954-1687834c0c8b 2007-12-19T06:42:04Z 2007-12-19T06:42:04Z

I had forgotten that. If it is any consolation then.. really it is poor management to let an underling know about a proposed action prior to taking it... They should have axed her then approached you. Shows a lot of insecurity on the part of the employer to act as they have. I would likely be loking for other employment...Without their knowledge of course because their insecurity likely will end up with you fired JSin

JSin 2007-12-19T06:42:04Z Bloke. Trivia Pimp http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#253cc6e6-4a50-4ab5-b29c-700472f4d2d9 2007-12-19T06:19:44Z 2007-12-19T06:19:44Z

If she is getting feed back but still doing the same thing.. well she has been given chances and if her behaviour is adversely impatience on outcomes and others she either needs to change or go... <<I think she should stick around and contribute but maybe not in the position she is in right now, but I don't know how that could work.>> If she is moved into another department - it might work... but demoting people generally causes a whole set of new problems.. I wish I had a good answer for you - but I don't.. Messy :(

Bloke. Trivia Pimp 2007-12-19T06:19:44Z Xiomara http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#2ce076ae-3421-4b64-a52d-409d556211c7 2007-12-19T05:48:55Z 2007-12-19T05:48:55Z

<<I think you would be happiest if you quit immediately because you are being put in a situation where your employment hinges on taking part of your self. >> While it is a great thought to be so full of convictions I am more full of a need to keep a roof over my son's head.

Xiomara 2007-12-19T05:48:55Z Jason http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#6705ea92-434d-48a8-b2bc-32bc62dd88b1 2007-12-19T05:43:59Z 2007-12-19T05:43:59Z

I think you would be happiest if you quit immediately because you are being put in a situation where your employment hinges on taking part of your self. Alternatively — and, naturally, depending on if you really feel this way — tell them that being dishonest with your peers was not part of you job requirements to start with and you will have nothing to do with it. However, do not ever leave an opening: for instance, if you are afraid of losing your job, do not let them know. Find ways to answer around that question. These people are not your friends, so don't give them a reason to have power over you. I have learned that if I take the noblest course of action, I have fewer regrets than if I don't. What I'm starting to experiment with (a friend of mine is working more in this realm) is to realize that the most important things are me, my happiness, and the well-being of people close to me. In other words, I'm starting to try making sure I am in the best mood — the least upset; the least manipulated — and choose my actions and associations accordingly. Something like that, anyway. Fuck you, I love you, ---Jason Olshefsky

Jason 2007-12-19T05:43:59Z Xiomara http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#cc3e68ea-b2dd-4d4f-b55d-276fb054903f 2007-12-19T05:34:41Z 2007-12-19T05:34:41Z

I did ask them if they were sure about this. I even asked if they didn't want to give it another month or so to see if things could improve. Their feeling is that she has been given several opportunities to pull it together. Truth is she does have some places where she could improve and maybe her good intentions aren't enough if she isn't doing all that she should. Honestly I think she should stick around and contribute but maybe not in the position she is in right now, but I don't know how that could work.

Xiomara 2007-12-19T05:34:41Z Xiomara http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#481d3818-c1d3-40dc-895a-a6c659b16a89 2007-12-19T05:28:21Z 2007-12-19T05:28:07Z

I don't work in a corporate atmosphere at all. I don't do corporate, I work in a Reggio Emilia based school. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggio_Emilia_approach It is a touchy situation for me because we all work so closely together.

Xiomara 2007-12-19T05:28:07Z Bloke. Trivia Pimp http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#d2545cf4-cf17-412f-8f77-7281ea13038b 2007-12-19T04:51:29Z 2007-12-19T04:51:29Z

How about expressing an opinion to the person who is thinking of firing her that this employee has some really strong points ("works really hard and has good intentions") and perhaps with some performance management her performance might greatly improve - or do you think she should indeed be fired? (does not sound like it..) Personally I would not like to work in a culture that is "sudden death" and does not give feedback to employees to improve their performance - or is she beyond redemption ? Does she comply with her job description ? Does she complete the tasks she is supposed to ? Has she been given chances before ? Is she simply a basically good employee who needs some guidance ? I don't like working in environments where the focus is "getting ahead" even at the cost of others..... but I also don't like working under incompetent people ....

Bloke. Trivia Pimp 2007-12-19T04:51:29Z JSin http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#be1daff0-9e2a-4980-948b-3b11551ff3cb 2007-12-19T04:37:09Z 2007-12-19T04:37:09Z

It is a cya issue... Tell her if ya wish but fully expect to get your own ass axed. If I were in the position of the management team I would be carefully watching what you do with the info they have given you. You spill then they are going to assume that you cannot keep confidential information confidential. Is it right? Not in my opinion but then again I don't do the corporate thing any more. If I feel I have to fire an employee I don't drag it out. I can see that they likely don't want to axe em during xmas... Me I would, but then again in terms of business I am heartless. JSin

JSin 2007-12-19T04:37:09Z Xiomara http://extremehonesty.tribe.net/thread/1f869d50-2f9d-44d1-bfaf-3ab4f4cd9918#9d1f60e0-57c8-4fea-b40f-7f52714e4df8 2007-12-19T04:32:09Z 2007-12-19T04:31:46Z

My employer wants to fire a co-worker who is kind of my supervisor and she wants me to take her job. I understand her reasons for wanting to get rid of this person. She sometimes has an attitude and at times forgets to communicate with the team but I also know this person works really hard and has good intentions. I'm feeling conflicted about them letting her go and a bit guilty that they are offering me her position. What is worse is they haven't given her a clue that they are thinking about letting her go and they aren't planning to do it for another month. I'm supposed to keep working with her for that long knowing something about her job that she doesn't know? That just feels wrong and dishonest. A promotion is usually a good thing but in this case I don't know. I'm feeling like I am being asked to lie for a whole month. It is times like this that I miss the Film industry. It was ruthless sometimes but if they didn't like you they didn't beat around the bush.

Xiomara 2007-12-19T04:31:46Z