sub-prime

topic posted Thu, April 3, 2008 - 11:47 AM by  offlinekalsang
OK, I have to say this, even if brands me forever as a shit.

But Good God almighty. Over the last few years, I searched somewhat desperately for a house I could afford in the Bay Area. A modest one bedroom in an area not infested with gun-shooting drug gangs. But the mortgages I could afford were all adjustable, and when I read the small print over cursorily I could see that after the first year or so, they were going to GO UP. So as a result, I used my BRAIN and didn't take one.

The result is, I am still trapped in the rent hole, paying 1500 a month to RENT a one bedroom.

Now I see that a bunch of fucking idiots who failed to think ahead and THINK, are going to be bailed out and GIVEN MONEY to stay in the houses they bought without considering that they couldn't afford it. Talk about penalising good sense and thrift, and rewarding idiocy and lack of forethought.

I am disgusted.
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kalsang
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    Re: sub-prime

    Thu, April 3, 2008 - 12:20 PM
    You are not a shit. It is mommy and daddy government who is raising a bunch of indolent morons. Personal story: I have always paid for health insurance. Someone I know who was self-employed and made way more than I (150K + a year) could not 'afford' to buy insurance. He got in a motorcycle wreck. Medi-Cal paid a huge chunk of his bills. WTF? Isn't that for poor people? Not people that own their homes, businesses, cars, trucks, motorcycles? Oh and then - after the bills were paid - he got an insurance settlement from the other motorcyclist that hit him for 30K. I am sorely tempted to stop saving money for retirement, 'cause I am going to pitch a fit if they 'bail out' all the people who lived large on credit and arrive at 65 dead broke! I bought a farm for 260k was offered up to 900k for it. I could have borrowed tons of money on home equity, but I didn't. I did borrow some to build a new barn, but I sold the place with a total of 300k in mortgages on it.

    And as far as it goes, the banks are the ones that will mostly be bailed out under this plan. They are proposing giving local government grants to buy and fix up foreclosures - fuck you, independent investors - oh, the only good part I saw was there may be a 7k tax credit to buy forclosed houses, of course the prices will not be as low as they could because they are propped up by the gov.
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      Fri, April 4, 2008 - 10:19 AM
      Fido, don't worry, MediCal would have liened that guy's settlement. His attorney wouldn't have been able to give him a penny of it until MediCal got theirs.

      But actually MediCal isn't as free as people think it is anyway -- lots of people don't realize that when their parents die (who've been getting long-term care, nursing, etc. thru MediCal), MediCal's got a lien on their house and estate. Nobody inherits until MediCal's got theirs.

      It was a shock to me to find this out. I thought if you were entitled to something, that was that. But no!
      • Re: sub-prime

        Fri, April 4, 2008 - 10:23 AM
        Kalsang, is there any way you could go at it again? Because this would be the time, and you could surely get a low down fixed rate at close to 5%. And there are people literally desperate to get from under their house - more houses than ever never make the papers, they're snapped up. It seems up here (norther in No. Calif.) 2 kinds of houses are selling fast, but only two: the high-end ones (the rich will always be with us, non?), and the fixers. Still.

        It's an obvious reality of the market right now in Northern Calif (not that I've heard anyone mention it, but . . .) that if you're selling your house, your most likely best prospective buyer would be the first-time homebuyer. Because they do not have to sell their house to be able to complete the deal. And selling your own house seems to be the big problem up here -- it is for me. I could carry 2 mortgages for about 5 minutes.
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    Thu, April 3, 2008 - 3:56 PM
    I completely agree with you, Kalsang, and I emphasize. I lived in California at the time these sub-prime loans were introduced, and there were write-ups about the dangers of these from the onset. No on can claim ignorance here. What's at play here is greed - both on the part of the mortgage companies and homebuyers. As always, it's others who will suffer.

    It's ridiculous for the government to step in and spend tax dollars to help people who made these foolish choices. Not when they are taking millions of dollars away from education. Not when Katrina victims are still homeless and living in filth. Why did these people not take in roommates rather than default on the loan? Get a second job? Rent it out?

    Homeownership was something I valued so greatly that it was worth the move out of SoCal. I'm happy so say I'm enjoying a much higher quality of life here as well.
  • Re: sub-prime

    Sat, April 5, 2008 - 10:18 AM
    I actually didn't know "they" were bailing out the people conned into these mortgages.

    Most of the bail out is going to executives of these criminal institutions involved...the investment bankers. Like billions of dollars from the federal reserve and not actually from the federal government. It reminds me of what was happening in the 1920s and 30s.

    The millions and millions of people loosing their homes (disproportionately African American...oh, surprise, surprise that they were targeted) will soon be right there with you, paying a monthly rent. That is if they aren't homeless.
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      Sat, April 5, 2008 - 10:31 AM
      Karl - "Most of the bail out is going to executives of these criminal institutions involved...the investment bankers."

      Exactly, the very people who were issuing mortgages to high risk customers who actually really did know better but were overcome by greed. Really it's just usury.

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