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I've taken the path of -what now seems- most resistance by being upfront and honest about the whole Santa Claus myth. I did this for a few reasons, but the main one was because when I became a single mom again I simply could not afford the sort of Christmas that we'd had before and that their friends and our neighbors seemed to be enjoying. The last thing I wanted was for them to feel that our temporary poverty meant that they were "naughty". They were having a tough enough time without also internalizing Santa's lack as being somehow their faults.
But of course the media, schools and our overall culture of parenting with mythological deceit has done its best to undermine me in this form of compassionate honesty. This year I asked them to tell me what they'd like to believe because I'm open to interpreting this thing in whatever way they feel most comfortable and gain joy from. My littlest ones said they believe in the "spirit of Santa Claus" even though they know I am the one putting presents under the tree. I said okay, "so should we make some cookies for Santa's spirit?" and they looked at me like I'd lost my mind! They both laughed and said, "spirits don't eat COOKIES, mom!". Then I laughed and said we could leave it some rice and we all ended up laughing and tickling each other and just generally feeling happy about the season and the holidays. So, we left it at that for now.
Anyway, I'm curious how those of you with kiddos handle this mythical fat man in a red suit that supposedly creeps into your house while you're asleep issue? (And then we can talk about that life size rabbit that somehow had something to do with zombie Jesus a few months down the road).
-K
But of course the media, schools and our overall culture of parenting with mythological deceit has done its best to undermine me in this form of compassionate honesty. This year I asked them to tell me what they'd like to believe because I'm open to interpreting this thing in whatever way they feel most comfortable and gain joy from. My littlest ones said they believe in the "spirit of Santa Claus" even though they know I am the one putting presents under the tree. I said okay, "so should we make some cookies for Santa's spirit?" and they looked at me like I'd lost my mind! They both laughed and said, "spirits don't eat COOKIES, mom!". Then I laughed and said we could leave it some rice and we all ended up laughing and tickling each other and just generally feeling happy about the season and the holidays. So, we left it at that for now.
Anyway, I'm curious how those of you with kiddos handle this mythical fat man in a red suit that supposedly creeps into your house while you're asleep issue? (And then we can talk about that life size rabbit that somehow had something to do with zombie Jesus a few months down the road).
-K
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Re: Honesty about Santa Claus?
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 2:58 AMheehee - thanx !!! this post was really humorous...
i dont have kids - so no justifiable thoughts on parenting, sorry.
whereas "spirits dont eat cookies" is a valid response, im actually ROFL at the idea that youve "terrorized" your kiddos about easter. (yes, i know you did not say that - im just kidding, ok?) im just picturing a 5 yo with eyes-wide and unable to get out of bed for easter because this huge-rabbit-is-leaving-racially-non-white-chicken-eggs-to-decompose-outside in honor of some zombie-jesus-that-moves-huge-boulders-when-he-rises-from-his-death-cave... eeek - scary... lol.
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Re: Honesty about Santa Claus?
Fri, December 19, 2008 - 7:43 AMYou really have to pick your battles when it comes to what you believe vs. what the kids are going to hear about through socialization and the media. I think Christmas and Easter are harmless enough. Though they may have been inspired by Christianity originally (and of course many Christians take these holidays seriously in a religious context, too, which is fine by me), in many cases they have lost the religious-ness. Consequently, even as an atheist, I will happily celebrate these holidays with my kids. They'll figure out eventually that there is no SC or EB, it's part of growing up.
Which brings me to my next point: I think your reason for telling your kids there is no Santa is very admirable. But whether you had told them or not, or they had questioned a low present to good behaviour ratio or not, they will need to learn about disappointment (I'm no longer talking about your kids but kids in general, using your predicament as a prime example). I think this is one of the things that has been crushing us as a culture in the US. Parents either are too happy crappy to disappoint their kids or they're flat out afraid of their kids. Both scenarios make me sick. -
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 8:30 AMMy son is 7 and a half... he still believes in Santa. Some of his friends don't believe anymore and he respects that but he still does. I don't use his belief to manipulate him though...like I have seen over and over... I just think that it is important for him to know that magic exsts.
I am spiritual but not religious but sometimes think that for him , GOD is Santa (he is magic, he can see and hear all the kids... and he teaches a lesson about good and bad...)
Anyways, I think the reasons you decided to tell them about the non-existence of Santa are very noble.
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 9:27 AMI can really only go on how my parents did it, which worked for us...
They did the Santa thing, and let us believe in him/it/whatever until
we learned/decided/deduced for ourselves that Santa wasn't 'real'.
As the oldest, I did so first - once my parents were onto me, they told
my brother and sister "so, this is the last year Nicole will be getting a
present from Santa - she's older now, and Santa's focus is on kids."
My siblings were very sympathetic, promising to still love me even if
Santa didn't anymore. :) lol
I think it's really personal choice... there were a couple kids at my elementary
school that would tell the rest of us "you guys are stupid, my mom told me that
Santa isn't real" and it would really upset some of the other kids, but it sounds
like your treatment of the idea isn't going to lead to anything like that...
You sound like you've handled it well to me. :)
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 9:31 AMI was brought up godless but we still had Christmas. Really, Christmas is sparkly and full of toys, it's cruel to deny children sparkly and toys! We left cookies and milk out for Santa and the whole nine yards (though I remember no great disillusionment so it may have just seemed like play even as a child) - but then Christmas in Australia is already quite a stretch from the Santa myths! I found men in Santa uniforms creepy but then all men in costumes/uniforms freaked me out as a child - some of them still do! On the other hand, sexy women in easter bunny suits I was all over...
It seems to me that there's nothing wrong with make believe, it's just about discerning the difference between make believe and reality (kids spend a lot of time doing this and generally don't get a firm grip on the whole thing until they're about 8, which is why advertising to kids is such a nefarious practice!). Talking about where Christmas comes from - winter solstice, a time when we gather to celebrate the change of season and return of light and spend time having fun together - can also be a nice way to contextualize Christmas for children. You could even talk about how people sometimes forget that Christmas is really about being kind to each other and sharing, not getting stuff...that the good "stuff" IS the love and sharing....somehow I suspect your kids know this already ;-)
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 9:45 AMI never believed in Santa Claus. I don't remember why but I never did. I believed in fairies and all sorts of other stuff though. I don't think there is anything wrong with believing in those things. I think you can do Santa but Santa doesn't have to bring extravagant gifts.
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 10:06 AMMy son is 15 now and it's been sometime since he mentioned Santa Claus. I know it's been about 6 or 7 years since he came to the realization that it was pretend, but he still maintains that he took a ride one night in Santa's sleigh and after he at all the cookies, the jerk took the Christmas plate as well. You can chalk that up to my mom's OCD. She just couldn't leave the plate of crumbs overnight.
The amount of presents has been up and down depending on finances, but I am lucky that my son isn't terribly materialistic and we always made most of the presents from a family member and put them under the tree before Christmas. Only a select few were from Santa and they were usually the really coveted gifts. It may have been the fact that I neglected to use different wrapping paper for Santa that started to tip him off, but we used to have a big to do about Santa every year before my sister decided that if her kids were tricked into believing in Santa, they wouldn't think Jesus was real one day. Then again, she's certifiable and Jesus wasn't real.
I figure, no harm done. We believe in myths throughout our lives that we discover at some point maybe aren't real, well some of us do. I used to believe that 'The Littles' were real and that one day I'd be able to make sparkles come out of my hands. Imagination makes life so much richer as long as we can still function in the physical world. -
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 10:13 AM>It may have been the fact that I neglected to use different wrapping paper for Santa that started to tip him off
haha.
my mom did this all the time... then my brother caught on when
he was 6 or 7, and she figured out her new plan - we each had
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 10:29 AM<<we each had
a big cloth bag made for us, that Santa would put our gifts in.>>
hey, there's an idea :o) mostly i save Santa presents for the stockings, but even family presents don't go out until christmas eve, due to sneaky boys, curious cats, and destructive dogs.
when i was growing up, most of the "Santa" presents came from my grandmother, since my mom was religious and didn't really care for Santa myths...and also because we didn't have much money for extra presents from Santa. but we did cookies and milk, too, also at grandma's instigation. i remember being 6 or 7 and comparing handwriting on the gift tags between grandma and Santa, because grandma's writing was pretty distinctive.
i have encouraged the Santa thing with my kids. we do cookies and milk too, and i will admit to threatening them as soon as the christmas decorations go up...if they're not good, Santa will bring them lumps of coal for their stocking instead of presents.
a couple of years ago, my son left a note for Santa..."Dear Santa, here's some cookies and milk, and thanks for the presents...or the coal." i still have it somewhere in my file of kid stuff. -
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 10:33 AM"or the coal."
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 10:53 AMyep, he's a great boy...too smart for his own good...or anyone else's :o)
i about died laughing when i saw it...i almost left coal in the stocking and hid the other presents until after the initial amusement wore off, but i'm not *that* sadistic...quite...
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 1:01 PMquel - "We believe in myths throughout our lives that we discover at some point maybe aren't real, well some of us do. I used to believe that 'The Littles' were real and that one day I'd be able to make sparkles come out of my hands. Imagination makes life so much richer as long as we can still function in the physical world."
Totally. I was a very skilled maker of houses for fairies once upon a time. And, now that you mention it, it would be pretty damn cool to be able to make sparkles shoot out of your hand. I'm not sure it would be good for much but it would be fun! Besides, imagination and creativity are important to science and reason, as well as art and play.
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 4:29 PMSanta only ever brought what could fit in stockings, so my parents poverty only meant THEY couldn't get me gifts. Santa still brought candy and small action figures. If anything, this PROVED Santa's existence. -
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 6:41 PMTo this day everyone gets stockings. To me the concept of Santa is a concept of giving without asking for any acknowledgment. You give to give.
JSin
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Fri, December 19, 2008 - 7:50 PMWhen I was a kid in Mexico many of the families who still followed the older traditions (rather than adopting the US influenced Santa) gave gifts on January 6th. That is when kids got gifts in their shoes. These gifts were almost always very small since they came in our shoes and were supposed to come from the Three Kings. The poorer King supposedly left gifts for poor kids and the Richer King left gifts for the rich kids. I always thought that was a bit odd but I guess people liked it that way. I don't remember which gift I supposedly got my gifts from since we were neither rich nor poor. My parents were both atheist but followed a lot of local customs anyway.
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 7:26 PMDont have kids... but I could see me getting into the Santa thing :) .. because..
HE IS REAL !
I just seem to be a bad bad boy.. every year ..
*sigh*
But my badness is often what I would wish for from Santa anyway - maybe he just manages his workload and looks after me in his off peak period..
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Mon, December 22, 2008 - 10:16 AMSanta = Saint Nicholas . Want to get into extreme honesty then honour a man who was truly a wonderful spirit. ( I am not a religious man at all for the record ) This however moves you to a point where you can then honour the "spirit" of Santa which is giving and not in the sense of Coca Cola's big red fat Santa and commercialism.
It is good to share and it is excellent to give but giving doesn't mean you need to spend exorbitant amounts of money nor give physical objects. You can lend an ear go for a walk , help shovel the drive ( if you have snow ! ) so many ways to enjoy the spirit of togetherness.
Most of the religions have myths that surround Christmas and all of them are about community , love and togetherness. Focus on this with your children in my opinion and you will be the best Mom anyone could ask for . Gifts don't show how much you love someone , encouragement and support is really what builds this !!
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Wed, December 24, 2008 - 3:15 PMMy not so little miss is 15, and has been with me for the last 12 years. We have been poor for most of it. I may not have been able to buy for her, but Santa always came through. This year we are on a tight budget, and my gift to her was our house to live in that is our very own for the first time. Santa is coming tonight with the little sundries to make her feel like she has been good this year. Papa (me) always gets candy and a small tool from S.C. 'cause Papa's been good too.
Joy to you on the turn of the year,
Will
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Re: Honesty about Santa Claus?
Wed, December 24, 2008 - 3:26 PMI guess it is all subjective but I wouldn't categorize engaging in make-believe play as dishonesty. I liked the tooth fairy and when I figured out it was my mom I wasn't disappointed. In a way it was cool to know my parents played that game just to please me. -
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Thu, December 25, 2008 - 7:31 PM<and my gift to her was our house to live in that is our very own for the first time.>
That is one great present. Congratulations !!!!!!!
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