It's Me or Madonna

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My friend is obsessed with Madonna. I put up with his constant Madonna talk for years - seriously worshipful stuff: Her Royal Highness etc. Once I asked him to go for 30 mins without one reference to her & he couldn’t! Anyway, before he drove me half crazy with Madonna talk I thought she was OK, though for me she peaked on her second album (let’s not get into a fight about it).

Anyway I read some pretty serious stuff about Madonna and her recent behaviour on the net: Banning her support act from talking to her; her crew threatening to walk because she treated them so poorly & also some quite disturbing conspiracy theory about her Illuminati connections… I thought she sounded like she had gone mad with power - & who can blame her with the nut case fans she has…

So my friend - OB - just got back from seeing her in two concerts in the USA - where he listened obsessively to her on the way over (& I presume back). I think that’s about 16 hrs….It’s mind boggling to me - someone who basically puts on a CD when she’s cleaning. So I decided to take action: I told him it was Me or Madonna. I could no longer tolerate his worshipful references to her. That was on Saturday & I haven’t heard from him since. I don’t expect to, either.

At first I thought that Madonna would win for sure & just accepted that. But the more I think about it the more pissed I get. I’m a real person. His friend. She’s a fantasy. A stranger he will more than likely never even meet let alone know. I heard she instructs people not to meet her eyes.

So I’m glad I did what I did. I think it’s finally woken Me Up to how friggin nutso my ’friend’ is! I know ultimatums are hard things to give but it really was my way of reaching into his poor deluded brain for the last shred of sanity there… Sadly I think he’s not uncommon…

Thoughts?
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  • Re: It's Me or Madonna

    Mon, November 17, 2008 - 11:00 PM
    >>but it really was my way of reaching into his poor deluded brain for the last shred of sanity there<<

    so, it's all about an intervention?

    >>I put up with his constant Madonna talk for years<<

    good god why, and what's changed?

    >>quite disturbing conspiracy theory about her Illuminati connections<<

    um, seriously now.
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      Re: It's Me or Madonna

      Tue, November 18, 2008 - 2:55 AM
      Wild,

      >> so, it's all about an intervention? <<

      Yep, an intervention. I’m hoping he’ll tell his family & they might join me. I have some hope that they are as sick to death of it as I am.

      >>I put up with his constant Madonna talk for years<<

      >>good god why, and what's changed?<<

      >>quite disturbing conspiracy theory about her Illuminati connections<<

      >>um, seriously now.<<

      Well they are all sort of related. I am serious about the Illuminati stuff. But less arguable is her elitist behaviour which I find objectionable (& a sign of megalomania .) I am quite opposed to ’celebrity worship’ but get that it’s a ’way of life’ for a lot of people so I can’t take on the whole world. I ’tolerated’ it from OB cause I thought that was what a friend should do. (We can’t all be the same.) Looking back I think I was trying a more Socratic style & trying to reason him out of his obsession by engaging in intermittent dialogue about her. Anyway I have come to see his behaviour as much, much more serious than the ’silliness’ I had labelled it as & suspect that he was seriously mentally ill. So yeah I tried an intervention, which as I said appears to have failed. But also confirms in my own mind that I was right to be concerned. Anyway I’m glad to not have to listen to it anymore - so maybe the one I needed to ’save’ was myself….
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        Re: It's Me or Madonna

        Tue, November 18, 2008 - 3:20 AM
        Wild,

        >> What’s changed?<<
        I guess I’ve changed. I was smoking too much pot (which I’ve given up) & sort of letting his stuff flow over me. In many ways his behaviour is ‘normalised’ in a celebrity worshipping society. He’s also watched Star Wars etc 100s of times - another obsession. So when I ‘intervened’ to make him choose between his fantasy world & his reality I guess I was proving to myself - & him - that he prefers a fake/fantasy world to the real thing. Anyway it’s all getting a bit too The Matrix if you think about it. It’s like he’s plugged into the machine (Screen/Ipod ), while his world (ie me - his friend) can rot! I’ve told him, for example, that I really need his support at the moment. [Sniggers] Which I’m sure Madonna can live without.

        Makes me think I should have titled the post: "It's Me or the Machine"
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          Re: It's Me or Madonna

          Tue, November 18, 2008 - 3:30 AM
          I’m on a rant now!

          I was watching this flick the other day en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_kong which was hysterical, but also deeply disturbing. It’s a doco & in it you hear a toddler crying in the background ”Daddy, Daddy , stop playing Donkey Kong.” He’s begging for his Dad’s attention - which Dad ignores as he obsesses over the machine….Sign of the times.
  • Re: It's Me or Madonna

    Tue, November 18, 2008 - 1:02 PM
    I've never been at an intervention but I'm pretty sure they don't involve just cutting the poor bastard in question loose.

    If you're tired of your friend and his ramblings and don't care if he ever stops his obssession, never seeing him again is an option. If you care about him and want him to get better, it really isn't.

    I'm not here to judge you: I can see many situations where it's best to just cut yourself off from crappy influences, but I felt this still warranted a mention.
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      Re: It's Me or Madonna

      Tue, November 18, 2008 - 1:55 PM
      Josh,

      I appreciate that it looks harsh, but he made the choice to cut me loose. His real friend. This has been going on for years and I tried everything else. As I said he is incapable of shutting up about her when asked. His obsession is very serious, but he does not even see that he has a problem. Looking back there was another incident when I had a very special occasion come up & he had agreed to be with me. But then Madonna's new album came out & he 'needed' to obsess with it over the weekend - so F**k me! I hung up on him - I'd had enough then, but he rang me back because [drum roll] Madonna's lyrics had just instructed him 'not to forget his friends!' So he still chose to listen to her..........
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        Re: It's Me or Madonna

        Tue, November 18, 2008 - 2:02 PM
        P.S When he's not talking about her, he's thinking about her, so he's not present anyway.
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          Re: It's Me or Madonna

          Tue, November 18, 2008 - 2:15 PM
          Just to be clear, we do talk about other things, but somehow all conversational roads lead back to Madonna.
          • Re: It's Me or Madonna

            Tue, November 18, 2008 - 2:20 PM
            quite frankly, you don't sound all that indifferent to the woman yourself.
            i mean, you've spent actual time on your own reading up on her antics,
            and forming negative opinions about what you've seen as well as
            going so far as to embrace bizarre conspiracy theories.

            i can't help wondering if you would feel differently if you had read/heard
            nothing but glowing reports about her.


            • Re: It's Me or Madonna

              Tue, November 18, 2008 - 2:31 PM
              while i'm sympathetic to friend-related issues and am sorry to hear
              that your friendship seems to have had to be dissolved, i have to say

              i'm laughing my ass off at the idea of
              "so, why don't you two talk anymore?"
              "oh... Madonna came between us. it was me or her. he chose her."

              sorry. i'm cruel and horrible. but i just find that funny.
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                Re: It's Me or Madonna

                Tue, November 18, 2008 - 2:48 PM
                >>sorry. i'm cruel and horrible. but i just find that funny. <<

                Nicole,
                I'm laughing too when I don't feel like crying. It's insane!
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              Re: It's Me or Madonna

              Tue, November 18, 2008 - 2:39 PM
              >>quite frankly, you don't sound all that indifferent to the woman yourself.
              i mean, you've spent actual time on your own reading up on her antics,
              and forming negative opinions about what you've seen as well as
              going so far as to embrace bizarre conspiracy theories.

              i can't help wondering if you would feel differently if you had read/heard
              nothing but glowing reports about her. <<

              Wild,
              The fact is that I have little interest in celebrity gossip. This all happened recently because I was waiting on a Tiketek presale for P!nk & the links to Madonna goss were there. I took a squiz because frankly all I had heard was glowing reports - from him! I decided to ‘take an interest’ in my friend’s obsession & that’s when my eyes were wide opened & I was appalled that he worshipped that woman.
    • Re: It's Me or Madonna

      Tue, November 18, 2008 - 2:17 PM
      Yeah, I gotta agree with Josh. It doesn't seem so much like an intervention. Not that I at all blame you for cutting him loose. I don't think I would have the patience for that kind of star sickness.


      'sides, Madonna is a self absorbed cunt. I thought everyone knew that?
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        Re: It's Me or Madonna

        Tue, November 18, 2008 - 2:49 PM
        >>'sides, Madonna is a self absorbed cunt. I thought everyone knew that? <<

        Yewn,

        I wish .
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        Tue, November 18, 2008 - 6:20 PM
        <<'sides, Madonna is a self absorbed cunt. I thought everyone knew that?>>

        Reminds me of a favorite put-down I heard:

        "I'd call you a cunt, but you lack both the depth and the warmth."
        • Re: It's Me or Madonna

          Tue, November 18, 2008 - 6:27 PM
          Funny how EVERYTHING reminds you of that particular comment, Anne.



          Elysse, what you should do is become a Even bigger fan of Madonna than him. Like top him with it at every opportunity, everything he knows, says, thinks, gets, and buys regarding her you do it bigger and better. You could even just kick it up a notch and actually stalk her physically and then show him the resulting restraining order and be "In your face!" about it. then sit back, and watch the magic happen.



          Wait, you want him to stop liking Madonna...

          Hmm... no I shan't change my advice on this. This is good advice and I recommend you take it and follow it to the letter.
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            Re: It's Me or Madonna

            Tue, November 18, 2008 - 8:14 PM
            Elaine,

            LMAO!!! That could work, but it would be a pyrrhic victory (ie I'd destroy myself in the process...)

            It actually reminds me of another friend I had who was also Madonna obsessed. He told me that he once palled up with another fan & they didn't get along at all! Lots of disputes about the correct interpretation of the Madonna bible etc.

            Also when he was in NY recently OB actually emailed me to tell me he got sick of talking about her because he was wearing a Madonna t-shirt & people were coming up to him all the time to talk about her! I had such hope for him then...[sigh] he later retracted/qualified that

            I don't think I can stop him liking her...I want him to stop 'worshipping' her & obsessing...A sort of 'harm minimisation' approach ...You know - get that she's a human friggin being...I actually think it hurts celebrities to be put on pedestals like that...the other side of the coin is when they get thrown down & treated like they are complete shit...
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              Re: It's Me or Madonna

              Tue, November 18, 2008 - 8:46 PM
              Thrown down ='s me agreeing that she's a self-absorbed cunt. (Which as Anne pointed out she's not ;) I s'pose I should retract that & qualify it to say that at the end of the day whatever Madonna is she's as much what the 'fans' made her ....I do respect Madonna's longevity & some of her showmanship (also find it quite offensive on occasion) he he - remember when she hung herself from a cross? I recall demanding of OB - How is she Jesus? I did not see the connection at all [sigh] ...I see her as an 'entertainer' not a Goddess. It's strange cause not that long ago 'entertainers' were among the lowest class (prostitutes etc) . Once Madonna would have been seen as The Whore of Babylon & now she's a Goddess.
              • Re: It's Me or Madonna

                Tue, November 18, 2008 - 8:54 PM
                <<Madonna is she's as much what the 'fans' made her ..>>

                No way, she is entirely responsible for being the ass that she is.
                • Re: It's Me or Madonna

                  Tue, November 18, 2008 - 9:52 PM
                  aack - im going to make a bizarre riff - beware...

                  madonna is just fine, that is she has a FINE ass... and she has fine calves... in fact she is a sacred-cow... well, she is a cow... sacred... golden... thou-shalt-not-worship-a-golden-calf... biblically, she IS jesus... jeez, she really IS... and we worship her...

                  star wars, madonna, whores, and religion... it is all just another form of mental-masturbation or mental-health or whatever...

                  you did not perform an "intervention", you placed an "ultimatum" upon your friend... (at least, that is my EH-opinion) does OB stand for something? (old boyfriend?)

                  the fact (?) that you created this ultimatum-event (and its ensuing repercussions, including this thread here in tribe) is probably useful. and heck, it is extremely honest... so brava !!!
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                    Re: It's Me or Madonna

                    Wed, November 19, 2008 - 12:17 AM
                    >>you did not perform an "intervention", you placed an "ultimatum" upon your friend... (at least, that is my EH-opinion) does OB stand for something? (old boyfriend?)<<

                    Harold,
                    I think interventions are ultimatums... OB is just a nickname
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                  Re: It's Me or Madonna

                  Wed, November 19, 2008 - 12:13 AM
                  <<Madonna is she's as much what the 'fans' made her ..>>

                  <<No way, she is entirely responsible for being the ass that she is. >>

                  Yewn
                  This is a tricky one for me. To expand a bit: Madonna, of course, the marketing icon is the construction of a number of social forces - of which she is but one. I.e mass marketing, technological innovations, beauticians (I think she has 6 on tour with her). The ‘woman’ who I read the unflattering gossip about, who sounds like she has gone mad with power….well I think she is the product of the millions of adoring fans who think she’s a Goddess. (When she is definitely not.) How could that not go to her head? So maybe she bears some responsibility…but ’entirely responsible’? I think people are the product of their own agency and the social forces that surround & influence them…So maybe I’m too easy on her…but having listened to OB’s worshipful outpourings for years I can see how that could drive anyone crazy…
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                    Re: It's Me or Madonna

                    Wed, November 19, 2008 - 8:40 AM
                    Yes, entirely responsible. And I say this as someone who has met and worked with many celebrities in my time. They all have the choice to be asses or be good people. I don't know her personally but I know several people who have worked with her and the ones who are willing to say anything have all confirmed that she is the person she wants to be. Her behavior is entirely her choice. She's not even that particularly nice to her own family.
                    • Re: It's Me or Madonna

                      Wed, November 19, 2008 - 9:17 AM
                      Anne is my new favorite person.

                      And really, i still can't believe that a group of (at least some)
                      well educated, intelligent, thoughtful adults are discussing
                      Madonna as though she's some sort of savior/anti-christ.

                      If only Bob Ross ruled the world....
                      • Re: It's Me or Madonna

                        Wed, November 19, 2008 - 9:50 AM
                        Oh she is neither. She is just a person and not always a nice one. Just like most of the other celebrities. Anyone is free to invest as much energy as they want into villifying or glorifying her but in the end that is really their own issues that are at play there.
                        • Re: It's Me or Madonna

                          Wed, November 19, 2008 - 12:25 PM
                          Vilification and glorification are two sides of the same coin. She's not a villain, just self-absorbed. Why give her, or anyone, that kind of power? Plus, we're depriving those people of genuine human interaction.

                          I met someone once that thought EVERYONE should know who he was. When I didn't. He said very slowly, as if I was an idiot. I....play....basketball...for...the...Lakers. I was gonna guess basketball, but then I briefly wondered if it would have been racist to guess a tall black man played basketball, so i didn't. How weird would it be to assume everyone would know you, and how weird would it be to be right?
                          • Re: It's Me or Madonna

                            Wed, November 19, 2008 - 1:04 PM
                            <<I met someone once that thought EVERYONE should know who he was. When I didn't. He said very slowly, as if I was an idiot. I....play....basketball...for...the...Lakers. I was gonna guess basketball, but then I briefly wondered if it would have been racist to guess a tall black man played basketball, so i didn't. How weird would it be to assume everyone would know you, and how weird would it be to be right?>>

                            I don't think I'd recognize most famous athletes.

                            I had an incident once where I asked Tom Cruise for directions because I was lost and he acted like a total freak the entire time and I couldn't figure out why this guy was so incredulous about me asking him for directions. I wasn't until I was driving away that I realized that it was Tom Cruise and he was kind of flabbergasted that I didn't seem to recognize him.

                            I live in LA and even worked in entertainment and it seriously takes a visiting friend to point someone out for me to ever recognize anyone and I think that is mostly because I seriously don't care.
                            • Re: It's Me or Madonna

                              Wed, November 19, 2008 - 1:50 PM
                              So, you take a quiz, you look up some info on the net about Madonna and then , you think you know her, judge her and give an ultimatum to you friend.
                              I am not trying to judge you here but the internet and media are not necessarily reliable sources as to what is really going on in a person's life.
                              Man, I have gone through so much with some of my friends...real things. And I am still their friend.
                              I am not a big fan of Madonna and I don't know her personnaly, but who are we to judge her?
                              Anyways, I understand that you felt let down by your friend and all but I also find your attitude in the whole thing somewhat immature. Of course I might be wrong. But geeze, people!!!!
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                                Re: It's Me or Madonna

                                Wed, November 19, 2008 - 1:59 PM
                                sapp - whatever..... I'm over it. I have my answers & am not going to waste any more time on it.
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                      Re: It's Me or Madonna

                      Wed, November 19, 2008 - 1:42 PM
                      >>Yes, entirely responsible. And I say this as someone who has met and worked with many celebrities in my time. They all have the choice to be asses or be good people. I don't know her personally but I know several people who have worked with her and the ones who are willing to say anything have all confirmed that she is the person she wants to be. Her behavior is entirely her choice. She's not even that particularly nice to her own family. <<

                      Thanx for setting me straight, Yewn. You have the insider perspective.
                      • Re: It's Me or Madonna

                        Wed, November 19, 2008 - 1:47 PM
                        You know, this conversation isn't nearly important enough for sarcasm.
                        You could just accept that I have a different point of view than yours but If you want to feel like I am trying to set you straight you can. But do be careful about how much hostility you are willing to waste on this issue.

                        Just sayin.
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                          Re: It's Me or Madonna

                          Wed, November 19, 2008 - 1:57 PM
                          >>You know, this conversation isn't nearly important enough for sarcasm.
                          You could just accept that I have a different point of view than yours but If you want to feel like I am trying to set you straight you can. But do be careful about how much hostility you are willing to waste on this issue.

                          Just sayin. <<

                          Yewn, there was no sarcasm. No hostility. The comment was transparent.
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    Re: It's Me or Madonna

    Tue, November 18, 2008 - 2:48 PM
    You friend (frightens me and) reminds me of this little ditty: www.youtube.com/watch

    I have a friend like that - literally has a Madonna shrine. Freaks me out. I just don't visit his home. Makes me want to shampoo my crotch. And he knows if he gets on a Madonna kick I get to annoy him with the Dixie Chicks, so he has learned to shut up over time...

    Anyway - enjoy the song.
    • Re: It's Me or Madonna

      Tue, November 18, 2008 - 3:02 PM
      Great song. Here's another one about Madonna. You just have to wait for it a bit.

      www.youtube.com/watch
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        Re: It's Me or Madonna

        Tue, November 18, 2008 - 4:07 PM
        Josh,

        Appreciated.

        :-)
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          Re: It's Me or Madonna

          Tue, November 18, 2008 - 4:17 PM
          Occult Theory Site

          After checking out of Eric Clapton's Crossroads Centre (named after Robert Johnson's deal with the devil) Britney Spears walked into Esther's Hair Salon and said, "I want my hair shaved off." "While I was talking to her body guard," hair-stylist, Esther Tognozzi said, "she grabbed the buzzer and started buzzing her own hair off. … She buzzed off all her own hair and I just cleaned it up when she was done with it." Spears showed little emotion as she chopped off her brunette locks.

          After leaving the salon, Spears headed to the Body & Soul tattoo parlor in nearby Sherman Oaks, Calif. She got two tattoos there, a black, white and pink cross on her hip and "cute little lips on her wrist".

          When a Body & Soul employee looked at the pop star in disbelief and asked why she shaved her head, Spears said, "I don't want anyone touching me. I'm tired of everybody touching me,"

          "The hair represents the stylists, the handlers, people who are in control of her life and manage her looks,"

          thefreemanperspective.blogspot.com/2007/02/httpwww2bloggercomimggllinkgifanna.html


          My Secular Theory (extract from Chapter on Douglas/Zeta-Jones V’s Hello! Magazine for Breach of Privacy)

          These efforts at control are necessary, according to Zeta-Jones, ‘so that we felt comfortable enough to let our hair down and enjoy the wedding the way we wanted to enjoy it’ (The Courier Mail, 12 Feb. 2003, 9). The control is presented here as a prerequisite to relaxation. I think ‘let our hair down’ is a particularly revealing metaphor, in this instance, as hair is a site of intense labour for a celebrity. Labour that the actress had hoped a respite from on this particular day. Zeta-Jones’ ‘raven locks’ are a distinguishing feature on her part and in the reporting she is referred to as having had her start as ‘the raven haired girl’ in The Darling Buds of May (Lampert 2003, 31). Hair, then, is a powerful signifier in this context of labour and capital. Her hair is a site of labour and a form of capital. Labour she was taking a break from and Capital she was protecting. She is reported as saying: ‘Our peace and happiness evaporated. I felt violated -- that something precious had been stolen from us.’ This ‘violation’ is of her security and the ‘precious’ thing that had been stolen was precisely her Capital --she was shown letting her hair down. The consequence of this, ‘a few unflattering pictures,’ according to her own written testimony, could be the end of her career! Zeta-Jones explains:

          'Michael and I are in the business of ‘name and likeness’. Any photographs published are important to us, not just personally but professionally. People go to see movies specifically because either Michael or I are in them and they have expectations of the way we will look' (Lampert 2003, 31).

          Here is an admission, that despite what she says, and what she may even think, it is about money, or at the very least cannot be divorced from it. The control of their image and reputation, what the couple call ‘privacy’, is their Capital!
          • Re: It's Me or Madonna

            Tue, November 18, 2008 - 4:24 PM
            oh good grief.
            remind me never to use the phrase 'let my hair down' in here.
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              Re: It's Me or Madonna

              Tue, November 18, 2008 - 6:13 PM
              Nicole,

              As I state it is Zeta-Jones herself who claims a few unflattering pictures could end her career. Britney 'balding' herself in this context suggests an extreme cry for help - as she shaved off her number one asset, metaphorically seeking to 'end her career'.
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      Re: It's Me or Madonna

      Tue, November 18, 2008 - 3:06 PM
      Rabbit,

      Thanx for that. It made me smile.
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        Re: It's Me or Madonna

        Tue, November 18, 2008 - 3:08 PM
        Wild,

        >>Bizarre conspiracy theories<<

        Ok - I'm gonna have to take this bull by the horns.

        I reserve the right to critically appraise sources of information for myself.

        The fact is that I wrote my PhD on ‘celebrity worship’ & TV viewing & the whole culture of the machine, which is destroying our world by in essence grabbing people’s attention & holding it. (& causing them to neglect their human relationships & responsibilities because time is, after all, limited.) It’s too complicated a thesis to elaborate here & I would prefer not to have to mention it. Just know that it was peer reviewed by three markers & approved. So when I looked at the ’bizarre conspiracy theories’ I could discern that they were the occult version of my secular thesis & I take them very seriously.
  • Re: It's Me or Madonna

    Tue, November 18, 2008 - 5:45 PM
    I'm afraid I'm going to side with your friend.

    Forget the fact that she's a real person for a sec and think about what she represents. Not to you - to him. Strength, power, expression, fearlessness.

    You just asked him to choose between his GOD and you. Has he deified you? NO
    Being real is a hindrance here. Real people don't represent higher ideals.
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      Re: It's Me or Madonna

      Tue, November 18, 2008 - 6:26 PM
      Ever - LOL - good on you. A devil’s advocate. That’s what I’m talking about.

      >>You just asked him to choose between his GOD and you. Has he deified you? NO
      Being real is a hindrance here. Real people don't represent higher ideals.<<

      I’m going to correct you there because as a matter of fact he has deified me. I am his Master Qui-Gon (Star Wars franchise) and am referred to as such. I initially tried reaching into his mind as Master Qui-Gon, explained to him that I had uncovered a ‘great disturbance in the force,’ & that I had tracked it to Madonna! Ha Ha. I called him to support me in my campaign - to expose Madonna - thereby offering him the chance to be a real Jedhi Knight - which he has always dreamed of. So I can work the symbols too [wink].

      I am a real person & to him I do represent his higher ideals.
      • Re: It's Me or Madonna

        Tue, November 18, 2008 - 9:55 PM
        OK, I'm back to siding with you.

        If your Padawan is able to feel the power of the force flow through him, he should be able to recognize his own power and not be swayed by her.

        Ohhhh - weird memory - when I was a kid, I would make up different words to pop songs... so "Imperial Girl" is now running through my head.
        Yes, I wrote this, in 1985....lolz

        When I give orders
        some men die
        and that's alright with me OK
        if they can't wield a blaster we can waste them as they flee-e

        'cause we are living in an Imperial world and I am an Imperial girl
        you know that we are living in an Imperial world and I am an Imperial girl

        The Empire has fashion sense, the alliance has cute guys
        I wonder if we can seduce them over to our si-ide!

        ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

        I can't remember anymore of it, but I used to sing it at the lunch table, and you can imagine my coolness (or not so much). I can't believe it came up again!
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          Tue, November 18, 2008 - 10:03 PM
          madonna is the imperial-girl ? lol... yup, she is now british, isnt she... ha.

          (off to go get some food - im getting light-headed... "light-headed !! check it and see... light-headed - do you know what you need? light-headed - you cant get up to dance... light-headed ! youre light-headed..." thank you to the foreigner 4somes... rofl)
        • Re: It's Me or Madonna

          Tue, November 18, 2008 - 10:11 PM
          I remembered another verse.
          ---------------------------------

          you know I am a Dark Lord's daughter
          we're all family
          the rebellion gets my Dad's attention
          better them than me-e

          -------------------
          Thanks for the "time machine." I haven't accessed that memory in eons. I thought it would be cool to perform it with light sabers and dancing. That never manifested. Note that this Imperial Girl is a fictional character, and not representative of any movie characters.
  • Re: It's Me or Madonna

    Tue, November 18, 2008 - 10:15 PM
    Maybe your poor friend is missing that je ne sais quoi in his life and Madonna is it! Sad but do you really want to take away that poor soul's little bit of happiness or look at him with pity and compassion...
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      Re: It's Me or Madonna

      Wed, November 19, 2008 - 12:20 AM
      Jin,

      I believe him to be seriously mentally ill...I looked on him with pity & compassion for years & like I said, maybe this was as much about saving myself...I'm still working through it....
  • Re: It's Me or Madonna

    Thu, November 20, 2008 - 1:00 AM
    im starting over from the "top" of the thread - cuz id like to go down a different path... you asked about thoughts - and there are the thoughts we have about your exact situation (which have been hashed, rehashed, and hash-browned) and then your side-comment about whether this (my words: delusional worshipping of a public and real-life figure) is common...

    before going down the general-path, id like to apologize about following the redherring that wild provided re interventions and ultimatums. you said you were trying to reach for his "sanity", nothing more. whatever else WE decided to call it is superfluous. in the specific case, it is up to you (and him) to decide what (if anything) to do or say in the future... good luck on the specific instance of you and OB.

    the general question is (by comparison) fairly simple to answer. and that is - YES - it is common. it is apparently a basic biological/psychological need for us humans to deify real people, artificial people, objects, precepts, and/or the LACK of some-person/object/precept... this basic human cognitive ability and/or need is not unusual or even a real cause for concern, imo. if might be distasteful in your specific case - as you have described. in other cases, it might wonderful to discover a fellow madonna-ophile. it is the basis of religions, superstitions, morality, and many other non-food/shelter types of thought processes. in fact, i could even argue that it (this cognitive ability) is the fundamental basis of human ego (the ability to think of oneself as a seperate entity).

    so yes, it is common... whether it is common to deify the recent (in historical-terms) pop-cultural-icon of madonna - thus becomes - a question of whether YOU want to be around OB and his "obsession" or not. it appears that youve decided to stop being intrigued or happy about his "religion". that is fine - people (incl you) can change. change is common also.

    good luck with the personal issues youve raised, but know that the general issue is all-too-common and you are not-alone... the "usual" way it is manifested is when "you" decide to leave the religious-teachings of which you had been a part of earlier and "change" to something else... again - good luck, h.
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      Re: It's Me or Madonna

      Fri, November 21, 2008 - 11:42 PM
      I keep reading this thread and thinking to myself that this issue of not worshiping Madonna is providing the foundation for doing exactly that.

      I kinda, sorta wanted to contribute something poignant and meaningful...but alas, I couldn't.

      So, I give you this instead.

      www.youtube.com/watch

      -K
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        Re: It's Me or Madonna

        Sat, November 22, 2008 - 4:11 AM
        I just wanted to pop back in and say:

        Sorry to Sapp for being snappy. You shared your thoughts -which I asked you to. I really was just 'over it.' And sorry to you all for my rude abruptness.

        I've been devastated by this whole situation which I know can seem ludicrous to many & yet you took the time to share your thoughts & they helped me 'work through it' and are much appreciated.

        kind regards
        Elyssa
      • Re: It's Me or Madonna

        Sat, November 22, 2008 - 4:15 PM
        k - that video is exactly the reason for the idolatry she (pop-icon madonna) inspires, imo. thanx.

        i must admit i prefer her blonde, but regardless, she has a powerful vision that she expresses quite eloquently thru music and dance and video - one of our current technological artistic forms. while i can appreciate the concept of (i think) elaine dressed as sly doing a robot-dance, the visual/auditory experience of that youtube-madonna-video is simpler to comprehend.

        elyssa - your note does not "feel" like you have yet "worked thru it" but rather that you are still in the process... i think that is another one of the fallacies of our modern society. we are so used to instant-gratification in so many arenas, that we just expect our emotional-lives to be instantly microwave-ready... there are some dishes (especially around this american thankgiving time) that require a nice slow-cooking process. they might require a rest/rise-time before baking... sorry i automatically go for metaphors when trying to understand or convey ideas... whatever - good luck with your process of losing this friend.

        OB might be that cute/well-paid model that madonna was playing chess with in the video, but you know that that was fantasy. you can wander down to the beach and walk by an old sea-salt (and his cute puppy) to think things thru... and when the video-ends, we are just left with our own thoughts/interpretations and the need to carry on with our own reality...

        hugs, h.
        • Re: It's Me or Madonna

          Sun, November 23, 2008 - 11:29 AM
          " I initially tried reaching into his mind as Master Qui-Gon, explained to him that I had uncovered a ‘great disturbance in the force,’ & that I had tracked it to Madonna!"

          LMAO - this is such a refreshingly funny thread. Elyssa, once you find yourself being predictably and continually bored out of your mind by a friend who gets stuck somewhere and happily stays, IMO there's nothing wrong with saying so long. By giving your ultimatum, you let him make that choice,actually. Sure the length of the relationship and its bonds tugs at your heart and makes you wish you could change him somehow, but you could take that energy and go find new, interesting friends. You were content enough with all this for a long time, but (some) people change, and this time it looks like that would be you. No blame! Life is too short to hear the same crap over and over and over.
          • Re: It's Me or Madonna

            Sun, November 23, 2008 - 3:25 PM
            Elyssa, no worries. I was not offended or anything. i wasn't trying to insult you , either by saying it was immature. We all know our own limits.
            Much luck to you in your other relationships!!!

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