gods path for us?

topic posted Mon, July 13, 2009 - 6:13 PM by  DIFFERENCE
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My beleif is contrary to popular theological perception the ability to bring "paradise" on earth is completely in our own hands. That we were all created by god with the gifts to do so. The choice to carve our own destines and live in virtual perfection or the opposite has always been in our hands we just continuously choose the opposite. Sadly most contain themselves within limitations when the truth is we were created to be limitless. If mankind were to focus on the similarites of our cultures and beleifs rather than the differences how easy would it be to realize our common goals, yearnings, desires and needs? How much richer would we be individually to know that every limitation and shackle that could be put on us is all a frame of mind and that the ability to overcome any obstacle and atain any dream is inherently created within us? We should all stop waiting to be saved by god, a messiah, some incredible leader and realize that god would be proud as any father would to see his sons and daughters pick themselves up and make their own way.
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  • Re: gods path for us?

    Tue, July 14, 2009 - 6:34 AM
    Why do you assume all humans share the same goals?
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      Tue, July 14, 2009 - 10:46 AM
      because underneath all the fluff of society and selfishness we do all share the same goals to live, love, prosper, We all yearn for peace and we all wish even to the genetic level to pass on our gifts to the next generation. While many systems of religion or beliefs will rant on an on about why they are right and others are wrong, the common denominator is pretty obvious. The most basic values are almost always the same for all humanity, Honesty, love for others, and value for life for example. As long as the majority of mankind get defensive, prideful, selfish and foolishly pursue the illusions that there way is better than another and that others should be forced to their specific way, our future will be as our history an endless cycle of the same pain and self destruction.
      • Re: gods path for us?

        Tue, July 14, 2009 - 11:23 AM
        Again, why do you believe we all want that.

        If even one person desires to Die, Hate, and destroy. If only one person desires war above peace then your argument fails.

        Values do NOT share a commonality. Perhaps only in your small little world they do but that is far from universal. Not everyone values Honesty for Example. To be honest in say Japan, where said honesty may harm or shame another, would be rude and disrespectful.

        Not everyone values life. many of the great warrior societies have viewed life and the pursuit of life as shameful. One could not enter the next world as a lily livered pussy. You had to die violently and in battle. many groups such as fundamentalist Islams still hold this concept.

        Try again... There is no god there is no universal truth and there is no One true Way...

        JSin
        • Re: gods path for us?

          Tue, July 14, 2009 - 1:58 PM
          its unfourtante that attitudes like this flourish because its the perfect example of why the world is the way it is. For those who do desire to Die, hate and destroy it is only a matter of a closer examination of the individual or community. There is always a common denominator. Even with the societies you mentioned they still either were seeking honor or a path to what they beleived as their next world, the same things many of most beleif systems seek. You see I dont need to try again JSIn, My choice to beleive in a god is as valid as yours not beleive in one, and is not the point of my post. The point is even though our beleifs contrast there is a common denominator, a common thread that you and I could focus on if we both chose to. And if the world learned to do that than It would be a very different place.
          • Re: gods path for us?

            Tue, July 14, 2009 - 2:57 PM
            The world would be a different and more peaceful place without evangelical Godspam. Heh, I may have to start a band called God Spam...All Hail The Mighty Satin! Though God Botherers is a pretty good name for a band too...
            • Re: gods path for us?

              Tue, July 14, 2009 - 3:26 PM
              I certainly agree the world would be alot better without people thinking others who dont belive as they do are beneath them. But building each other up through mutual understanding and respect i think would be encouraged.
          • Re: gods path for us?

            Tue, July 14, 2009 - 4:27 PM
            And what is that thread... exactly...

            It seems to me the presumptions you make and the questioned I posed that you left unanswered are simply a modus of the propaganda machine.

            I would submit that the barring and banning of any belief that does not reside in reason is part of the problem and not the solution.

            What you have done is attempt to show the one true way. There is no One true way.

            So honestly, go play with your imaginary friend if you like. But do not parade him about like the dancing monkey he is without some sort of well thought out argument to respond to detractors with. Otherwise you are doing just as Fifi noted godSpamming.

            I would venture in world over run with humans that a goodly amount of death destruction and bodies would be a benefit. Not peace and reproduction. Seems your paradigm is part of the problem.

            JSin
            • Re: gods path for us?

              Tue, July 14, 2009 - 4:56 PM
              Though I did propose my ideas from a christian stand point, my ideas arnt necessarily about god or being christian, so i really dont understand the hang up. Basically in the most simplistic way, Im saying " If we all work together and put aside our differences we can achieve more." and from what i can get from your arguments your saying..
              "NO YOUR WRONG WE CANT WORK TOGETHER."????
              Why Not ? Because I beleive in a god and you dont?
              • Re: gods path for us?

                Tue, July 14, 2009 - 5:25 PM
                oh for fucks sake - like that has never been said before huh? you're on some archetypal breakthrough eh? I mean how infantile does it get? now all you need to do is figure out why it hasn't happened . . . .


                "If we all work together and put aside our differences we can achieve more."
              • Re: gods path for us?

                Wed, July 15, 2009 - 4:15 PM
                Yes i honestly believe that the Xian or more broadly the Abrahamic faiths have committed crimes against humanity that are unforgivable. They have done so in the name of YWVH repeatedly. They are beyond redemption and staand as the greatest blight on the face of this planet.

                It brings be joy to know the Xian faith is losing ground in the US, I am joyed when a see churches close their doors.

                I most love when Xians begin to think for themselves, question their faith and dogma, and walk away free from the illusions and propaganda.

                Can we work together... No not with a Xian.

                JSin
  • Re: gods path for us?

    Tue, July 14, 2009 - 5:53 PM
    Difference, I think you need to do your homework and feel more comfortable challenging your own beliefs. That's the only real path to wisdom. Having said that, I know how impossible it is to have an honest talk about beliefs, values etc. with Christians and other believers. Too afraid to let go of what has been brainwashed into them and wary of a vengeful God, they eschew anything that doesn't fit onto a neat and irrational package.

    There are so many cultures and peoples and belief systems. Maybe one day, you'll realize you cannot draw conclusions about them easily. Outside of the desire for survival, there are scant few other universalities.

    What you have been taught was done so for the means of social control. Those who taught you are likely ignorant of this but those who engineered it are not. A collection of stories about a likely fictional character was strung together by some rabbis so teach people the lessons they wanted them to have for a desired effect. People took them out of context (which could only be expected since they were already practicing within a system similar) and created a new belief system. This is the opposite of freedom.
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      Tue, July 14, 2009 - 6:11 PM
      I totally agree. Except that other cultures have little more than survival in common. How about family though there are many many different value systems on what and how a family is developed etc. Passing on your genes and not having to worry about you offspring being snuffed out is usually a pretty common concern. The well being of your family/community is usually pretty common not merely survival but also in regards to provisions and functionality. I do realize there are exceptions. As far as everyone pegging me as some fickle brainwashed uneducated zealot that makes me chuckle. Im a christian by choice and not because i was raised to beleive it. Ive fully challenged every aspect of my faith and am completely comfortable with the possiblity or even likelyhood that the whole faith is based around fiction. Because even if The Bible is nothing more than a story book and Jesus nothing more than the main character. There has never been a more Planet changing story or influential figure in all of history. The power of that alone i find inspiring and if the moral or lesson of that fable can make a difference for myself and those i can touch the way it made for many others than I see it as a worthy example to follow. For if there is no God than what else to guide me? Why not follow the moral of great story? But again the point I was attempting to discuss was why cant people see past difference and focus on similarities to get ahead? At least further than we have been able to get along as of now? As almost every response to this post shows the majority almost always focuses on our diffrences. Is that in itself perhaps a method of social control. Have we been programed by culture or society to automatically deter those who believe differently than we do?
      • Re: gods path for us?

        Tue, July 14, 2009 - 6:30 PM
        producing viable offspring and their physical well being, as well as the familial structure all fall into the category of survival.

        Hitler had a really big and lasting impact, should I ascribe to his teachings?
        Why don't we worship Bill Gates? After all he may prove to have a more lasting impact than Jesus.
        You do know that Islam is the fastest growing faith, right? You also know that the major religions are essentially the same, right?

        Also, I find it hard to swallow that you could have invested the time to fully question and challenge your beliefs, as that would take a lifetime to do. Let's be honest here. Someone who had done so would not be using the rhetoric you are. What's that saying about those who think they're enlightened being the ones who are not? There's also a great Shakespearean quote that applies so very often: "The lady doth protest to much."

        Idealism is cute but not practical. Even great visionaries like MLK Jr and Ghandi understood that. You can't change reality while believing in a fantasy outcome. As you can see, your approach is already ineffective.
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          Tue, July 14, 2009 - 7:23 PM
          Yes sadly I do realize the initial effectiveness and I cant argue that Idealism isnt very practical. But once upon a time electricity wasnt practical. The very people you mention (MLK/Ghandi) beleived and preached things that were impractical and against the grain in there era, some of there messages still are, but never the less they made a difference. Somthing I am inspired by and many more should be. Not for christianity sake at all but for humanities sake. You also mentioned Hitler and Bill Gates, Should they be worshiped, I would say no but thats the choice for others to make. As evil as hitler was he was charasmatic and a leader( A sick one) but he and Bill Gates got off their butt and did somthing that directly effected those around them. We all have that potential its whether you decide to do it and what direction you point in. I dont fully understand why you cant understand that i have questioned my faith fully, I explained my view on it above and why im comfortable with the probability that its false. If its just a story its still a story that has changed the world more dramatically than anything else since it was put together. I find that impressive and inspiring. But again im not here to argue my faith versus anyone elses, My very beginning thought was about respecting others views and moving past them to succeed at whatever. Is it practical no. Is it likely no. Is it possible I believe so. The majority would just need to be as optomistic on the topic. What do people have to lose by trying.

          If two people of totally Opposing belief systems work together and can function professionally toward a common goal in the work place, why cant that translate else where?
          • Re: gods path for us?

            Tue, July 14, 2009 - 7:55 PM
            I am not disrespecting your faith or anyone else's by making observations about it. That is an integral part of what I believe in: the scientific method.

            No one said great things are not possible but one has to do this by addressing realities, as I said. There is a way to get things done and work together but not without doing your homework and it's clear that you haven't done enough. That's all. Keep learning, it will benefit you and you'll feel less ostracized when people question you.
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              Tue, July 14, 2009 - 8:50 PM
              How is it clear? Im not expert for sure on worldwide cultures or theology but really for it to work wouldnt really only require a willingness to be open minded and tolerant of others cultural practices and beleifs? Perhaps an acurate understanding at least to avoid unecessary cultural offenses but even then that would be relative to location and exactly who we are trying to interact and grow with. What homework are you referring to? Perhaps I over generalized but its still fair to say that based on the need and common values of survival which are commonly threatned by mans own ignorance and intolerance that just striving to help each other to do that by striving tp over come hate, violence, crime, etc. And i dont know if ostracized is what i felt. Its just most people i know agree that working together and overcoming differences is a healthy goal to work toward. Meeting a room of people who were all giving me the impression it was a bad thing made me feel like i was taking crazy pills.
      • Re: gods path for us?

        Wed, July 15, 2009 - 7:06 AM
        "There has never been a more Planet changing story or influential figure in all of history."

        Said like a true Christian evangelist. Muslims, Buddhists and people of many other religions would disagree totally and place their own life/world changing figure (and just the kind of assertion that makes you come off as a brainwashed zealot). Just because Jesus changed YOUR life and is central to your belief system doesn't mean he's the most important figure in history. It's a bit ignorant to claim so and it's exactly the sort of thing religious wars are fought over.

        "For if there is no God than what else to guide me?"

        So you haven't developed your own internal sense of ethics and compassion? You can't think for yourself, make your own choices and generally act like a decent human being without a rule book? Would you be someone totally different without "god"? So, ultimately, who IS the REAL you that you're using "god" and Christianity to conceal? What are you so afraid of? Being alone with yourself? Who would you be without a Big Sky Daddy lording it over you?
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          Wed, July 15, 2009 - 10:56 AM
          I dont know many evangalists that are comfortable with the very probability that the entire book is nothing but a fable. Though Buddism and Islam are other very profound relgions I would stillbe bold enough to say that they hasnt had an impact on History like Christianity has, positive or negative. And Im fine with no "Sky Daddy" ha ha. Like I said im just as comfortable with the concept of him there as the concept that hes totally a work of fiction. My comment was ment to imply that if it is just a story than it is as good as any concept if not better to use as a guide to learn from and take an example from.
          I have nothing tobe afraid of Fifi, but do you? This whole thread ive tried to say I have absoulte respect and acceptance of your choice not to beleive and that the point of my thought has nothing to do with converting anyone or pushing my beleifs on anyone. Except that If you and I could decide on common goals between us we could focus on working toward them together and make somthing better for just you and I.
          Again nothing to do with my choice in beleifs or yours. So my question is why are you so offensive? Do You feel threatned or afraid? Is it that underneath everything you havnt grappled with the concept "what if im wrong?" "have I covered my bases?" "have I done all i can do?" Ive come to peace with those questions but it seems to me that you may not have.
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            Wed, July 15, 2009 - 11:01 AM
            Islam does give Christianity a run for its money. If you lived in the Middle East, I bet you'd think Islam was more influential and historically impactful. Actually, it's Judaism you should be giving props to. The other two wouldn't exist without it.

            Really, I don't think you're committed to true knowledge. Your eyes are full of stars, my friend. You have a crush on Jesus.
            • Re: gods path for us?

              Wed, July 15, 2009 - 11:22 AM
              I totally agree with you that Islam gives Christianity a run. I lived in Various locations in the Middle east for over a year, And you on Target about Judism as well.

              Honestly I wouldnt be ashamed to admit I have a crush on Jesus, In the same sense any other person might admire or Idolize a hero from another genre. I feel jesus, whether divine, human or fictional was incredibly profound and would be happy to die a fraction as influential. I would also like to add that ive done research and have found That Jesus very possibly was based (possibly in great detail) on other messiah like figures of earlier religions from egypt and other regions.

              My eyes may be full of stars indeed quel qu'un but whats wrong with that?

              I would like to post a thought from somone else from another thread, these thoughts are not my own but I share the sentiment.

              "What our friend is saying at the root is that we should stop waiting for some god or hero to come and save us, but get up and start fixing things ourselves. Yes, it can be tiring, frustrating, sometimes infuriating. But although it comes from a Christian context, there is a popular proverb that is unquestionably accurate, "It is better to light one candle, than to curse the darkness."

              For those who would rather curse the darkness, they will never find any relief from their inability to see until they get off their asses and light a candle. One candle = problem solved, or at minimum, ameliorated. If enough people light enough candles, then the problem will be gone entirely. If enough people get used to the idea of lighting candles, the problem will never come back. But we still will need the sun, the source of all life on earth and the source of almost all of our energy.

              Why do atheists insist on such purity of language that they object to the idea of god even as a metaphor, a myth or a poetic expression? Sometimes I get the impression that the atheist fundamentalists want to ban any mention of god even in the context of a joke, a poem or an attempt to study and understand the beliefs of other cultures. Other cultures exist; we all know that. If we want to live in the same world with them, perhaps we should try to understand the beliefs they cherish. And we all share this nation with people of faith, of many different faiths as a matter of fact. Do you believe there is not point in finding out what they may have to offer? No human is completely without some shred of knowledge, even wisdom to share with the world. But too many hide their wisdom under a bushel of religion or blanket condemnations of other peoples' beliefs, culural assumptions, weltanshuangen, etc.

              Belief in god, any god, does not necessarily involve belief in a religious tradition, as I have done my best to demonstrate."

              Phewwww!! that ought to keep the fire burning! ha ha ;- P




              • Re: gods path for us?

                Wed, July 15, 2009 - 11:34 AM
                I think you're under the false impression what we are naysaying the possibilities in cultural/ global/societal advancement. Not so. What I am saying is that you should do due diligence when citing what you think are facts to support your argument.

                I also think it's the pot calling the kettle black when one generalizes atheists. I am not even an atheist but I do value accuracy and knowledge. What I mean when I say your eyes are full of stars is a distraction from the world around you. Focusing on the heavens exclusively while we walk this life results in ambling and accidents. The road to Hell is pave with good intention, you know.

                I'm all for whatever people do to be a better person. I just insist that if someone is going to have a debate, it be an honest one. By that I mean backed up with research and depth of thought. There is a down side to youth. Your perception of depth is relative. You have only done and seen so much therefore you are deeper than you were but maybe not as much as those who have been around a lot longer. I would think that if you knew as much as you say you do about religious mythologies, you wouldn't feel the need to cling to one of the most destructive ideologies the planet has ever conceived. I too, think there are very valuable lessons in the teachings of Jesus, real or not but i refuse to compromise my integrity by associating with some of the most dangerous people on the planet. That's just me though. Everyone believes in something irrational, after all.
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                  Wed, July 15, 2009 - 1:52 PM
                  The arguement or point rather that I appempted to bring forth was simply candle lighting metaphor mentioned above. Im not sure exactly what diligence or facts I should have had prepared to have this concept presented. I think its really all relative to everones different situation and who they are trying to help or deal with. For example If as a Christian I am working in a Muslim community trying to work toward a common good my research and expertise should be drivin toward a tolerance and understanding of Islam and in turn they toward christianity. I do see how most would look at this view of possible harmony amont contrasting cultures as fantasy or walking with my head in the clouds. I assure you from my experiences Im fully aware of the realites and hardships that are in front of us just simply live out our individual responsibilites. The people that have made differences in our world faced the same obstacles and challenges in life we all generally do they only put forth the extra effort to help others overcome as well. But what was once viewed as Fantasies 20 years ago are now realities. My point is that it is really a matter of Focus, Beleif that it can be achieved, and driven determination toward an end.
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                    Re: gods path for us?

                    Wed, July 15, 2009 - 2:42 PM
                    "I do see how most would look at this view of possible harmony amont contrasting cultures as fantasy or walking with my head in the clouds."

                    Not at all. There's all kinds of very harmonious interactions between cultures when someone's not claiming their god myth (or son of god myth) is the most important thing/person ever, that's usually when the faithful start squabbling with each other. Science is a field which provides a great example of a practice where people from all different cultures come together to work towards a common goal (often an altruistic one). Art is another one. Pity you're so blind to all the actual collaboration that goes on but if you're focused on religion I can understand how the world may look like a totally disharmonious place to you.

                    I noticed you spammed a couple of tribes with the same post so clearly you're on a mission of some kind - which makes you a missionary or evangelical - and not here to discuss it with the members of this tribe with any respect or interest in this particular tribe's culture. Btw, being evangelical is an action and does not necessarily mean someone is an American-style Christian Fundamentalist.
                    • Re: gods path for us?

                      Wed, July 15, 2009 - 3:32 PM
                      A-ha! Cyber-missionary, eh?

                      You'll probably have as much luck as the Christian Camp that goes to Rainbow Gatherings.

                      Bear this in mind, Difference: a broad view within a narrow spectrum is far from knowledgeable or open-minded.
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                        Wed, July 15, 2009 - 3:45 PM
                        I talk in several tribes and usually raise the same questions to get different points of view. I thought the point of being a missionary or evangalist was to convert people to their faith or worse exploit money by gaining more members to their church or organization. I work for no organization, I dont even attend a singular church regularly, And as I have cited several times Im not trying to convert, or even encourage christianity. If Im on a any mission on this topic it is simply to spark an idea or raise some questions. There are already more hits on this thread than any other recent topic. It seems again and again that the focus of comments returned to me are about my faith and not my topic. If I can be comfortable with others being non believers why is it so hard for the others on this thread to be comfortable with me being a believer. Oh and my spectrum isnt religion as it seems everyone elses here is my spectrum is mankinds progression together. Is that not broad?
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                      Wed, July 15, 2009 - 3:47 PM
                      >It seems to me the presumptions you make and the questioned I posed that you left unanswered are simply a modus of the propaganda machine. <

                      Big talk from someone whos been seemingly dodging the questions i ask you in return Fifi. Ive attempted to answer all yours.
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                        Wed, July 15, 2009 - 3:59 PM
                        Whoops, sorry Fifi I highlighted a comment that wasnt made by you, you a JSin have rather colorful pictures I must have confused them without reading the name. Apologies.

                        But I have attempted to answer your questions without response to mine....

                        I feel compelled also to mention that one of the worst qualities I find among over zealous christians is there judgements of others, their finger pointing. Their turning their noses up toward people they dont see believing or acting as they do. But I seem to be getting that feeling more from the Non-believers in this tribe than I have from any god fearing people i have had recent dealings with. Must not be just a christian thing.
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                      Wed, July 15, 2009 - 4:09 PM
                      My favorite example of a behavior in which 2 people can accept each others gods without violence is the scene in Conan the barbarian where he and the little thief are discussing who's god is stronger.

                      JSin
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                        Wed, July 15, 2009 - 4:29 PM
                        Gladiator - When Maximus and (the guy from Amistad) were talking and big African guy asks Maximus if he beleives in an Afterlife and encourages him to keep on keepin on even though he beleives his family is waiting for him. Also a good one.
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                    Re: gods path for us?

                    Wed, July 15, 2009 - 4:01 PM
                    The problem is the core component of your faith... Monotheism..... and the one true Massiah complex... For example do you accept Mohammad as the Messiah? if you don't then the core belief is in question.

                    Remember yours is an insecure god who will have no other gods before him or even around him.

                    Your religion also has a rich heritage of genocide, from the day Moses set foot in Cannan through the execution of the Jews throughout the 20th century.

                    No other group of religions have those wars... None of them...That is right only your god asks you to kill those who not see eye to eye with him.

                    If anyone needs to learn tolerance it is the Judeo Xian Islamic monotheistic id10ts that stand as a blight on the face of this planet.

                    You christ child did not make the mind sundering change you proport... i would ague that 2 men highly influenced his work... the Buddha and Lao Tzu. Those philosophies were making great inroads to the middle east at the time the bastard child was growing up.

                    You have been sucked in by the propaganda and have not turned a critical eye on the facts.

                    You do realize what you buy off as the word of god is a bunch of shit a bunch of dudes in Nicaea in 325 and decided was the word of god..

                    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firs..._of_Nicaea

                    You are not making a difference, you are part of the problem

                    JSin
                    • Re: gods path for us?

                      Wed, July 15, 2009 - 4:21 PM
                      Perhaps I value the teaching of both Christ and Mohammed.
                      My god may be insecure But I am not. and Other beleifs and systems influencing me and my ways are completely welcome to me, even yours.

                      All the horrible conflicts that have come from religion and other conditions of the planet are directly related to my TOPIC which is people not having enough patience to see past differences and at the very least co exist.

                      I may not make a difference but I wont just sit back and be negative.

                      My faith is not the problem, Your intolerance is.
                      You are the perfect example of the type of person who causes the slaughter of the innocent.

                      Though this debate has at times been intense no one has used foul language or attempted so obviously to incite anger.

                      Im not your typical christian JSin so if your expecting me to rant and rave as you are or judge you or tell you you will burn in some make believe firey hell than your talking to the wrong guy. sorry to dissapoint.
                      • Re: gods path for us?

                        Wed, July 15, 2009 - 5:36 PM
                        Try again Difference... your people are the issue... There has not been a war waged to further the beliefs and policies of atheism. Genocide has not been committed in the name of atheism.

                        To call me intolerant because you want a free pass on the history of the theology you profess and promote is to turn a blind eye to your faith's past.

                        There are no free passes for an organization that has acted in a manner to systematically eliminate all other groups who's beliefs differ from theirs.

                        I love to work with Buddhists, Taoists, Hindu, any number of polytheistic groups, exitencial religions ect. I do not work with monotheistic religions because thier message is hate and damnation for anyone who does not ascribe to thier narrow view of the one twoo gawd.

                        It is really that simple.

                        I see no space for the christian blight in this world.

                        JSin
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                          Wed, July 15, 2009 - 6:13 PM
                          The past is History, Tomorrow a Mystery, Today is the gift that is why its called the present.

                          I dont ask or need any free pass.

                          and again the indignation you show makes my point for me I have not need to..Ahem....."Try again."
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                            Wed, July 15, 2009 - 6:48 PM
                            Oh no! You know a conversation is over when it digresses into unrelated cliches.
                            Like I said earlier, no use trying to convert a believer or get them to understand your side.

                            However, it is blatant and willful ignorance (and a common tactic of zealots) to use one person as the example for an entire group. You have just contradicted your entire ideological stance you started this thread with. Congrats.
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                              Wed, July 15, 2009 - 7:02 PM
                              I didnt imply anything about an entire group.
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                                Wed, July 15, 2009 - 7:04 PM
                                ha ha ive had like 20 profile views in the past 2 days.
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                                  Wed, July 15, 2009 - 7:21 PM
                                  so this is all just an attention seeking exercise then, is it?


                                  "ha ha ive had like 20 profile views in the past 2 days."
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                                    Wed, July 15, 2009 - 7:32 PM
                                    Just interesting what incites interest of strangers.
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                                      Thu, July 16, 2009 - 5:13 AM
                                      No actually it is folks looking to see what kind of troll you are.. For me it was clear from the first post.

                                      A second rate twooo believer.

                                      Quel is right you have contradicted your original post. Under scrutiny your theory has failed and your answer has been found. Folks cannot get along because of the blind sheep like following of a dogma that is intrinsically hypocritical, violent, and destructive.

                                      JSin
                                      • Re: gods path for us?

                                        Thu, July 16, 2009 - 4:47 PM
                                        >So honestly, go play with your imaginary friend if you like. But do not parade him about like the dancing monkey he is <
                                        >Can we work together... No not with a Xian. <
                                        >If anyone needs to learn tolerance it is the Judeo Xian Islamic monotheistic id10ts that stand as a blight on the face of this planet.<
                                        >You do realize what you buy off as the word of god is a bunch of shit <
                                        >I do not work with monotheistic religions because thier message is hate and damnation for anyone who does not ascribe to thier narrow view of the one twoo gawd. <
                                        >Folks cannot get along because of the blind sheep like following of a dogma that is intrinsically hypocritical, violent, and destructive.<

                                        > If he's only going to provide pious lip service, the least he could do is get down on his knees and offer to blow us. <

                                        • Re: gods path for us?

                                          Thu, July 16, 2009 - 4:56 PM
                                          Sweet! Jsin's greatest hits! I've actually laughed harder at his comments in other tribes though. J'sin, you're getting rusty!
                                          • Re: gods path for us?

                                            Thu, July 16, 2009 - 10:15 PM
                                            Yeah I know... I will try to bring the lvl up a but... Though I think this is the first time someone has taken the time to collect all my degogatory comments into one post... They are amusing as hell when taken out of context if I do say so myself.

                                            JSin
                                  • Re: gods path for us?

                                    Thu, July 16, 2009 - 10:39 AM
                                    "so this is all just an attention seeking exercise then, is it?"

                                    Seems to be. Dude wants to be a Christian messiah apparently. I can see why no one is interested. And like so many so full of ego and self-righteousness who trot out false humility and caring, I can see why he needs to resort to godspamming/godtrolling as a means to get some - any - attention. As usual with evangelical god botherers (though he *is* more of a people pest), he's not even able to manage to talk his talk (let alone walk it). If he's only going to provide pious lip service, the least he could do is get down on his knees and offer to blow us.

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