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"How great is the RATE OF CHANGE, that you Allow in your Life?" The question in my experience is that ! ? ?
All of the motivation prior (to coming to this question) can be a trigger to break thru (into the WHO you may THINK you want to BE, is [sometimes] like a wheel spin, 5feet off the ground) . . . surely so . . . BUT . . .
What stops the Rate of Change happening in the first place . . . ! ? ! ? ?
Also, "Is more of whatever you may think you want, what Life is about (for you) anyway??"
Develop the 'Rate of Change' and you will find the wheel spins may not occur . . .
Develop the 'Rate of Change' and everything in abundance will/can easily happen for you . .
Too much 'stuff', may then become the issue . . . (for some) . . . . money, sex, property, . . .
Beyond 'Stuff' is the calm, the stillness, . . . the juice sharable . . .
The . . . Abun D A N C E . . . is there ALREADY . . .
Allowing it INto your life may not be . . .
Rate of Change development can be anything at all . . . highly individual for every person . . . Yoga for some, money for others, both for the 3rd . . .
By Allowing the abundance as a given, that already exists in your life, the change Allows more than what you need afterwards . . .
When is enough, enough of what it is, that is needed to work thru your life . . . to the place of Stillness where nothing is needed . . .
Cause all of everything is available to you . . .
This has been done over and over . . . by many people . . .
What we all say to ourselves stops our individual rate of change from blossoming . . . ! ! !
Just a thought . . .
All of the motivation prior (to coming to this question) can be a trigger to break thru (into the WHO you may THINK you want to BE, is [sometimes] like a wheel spin, 5feet off the ground) . . . surely so . . . BUT . . .
What stops the Rate of Change happening in the first place . . . ! ? ! ? ?
Also, "Is more of whatever you may think you want, what Life is about (for you) anyway??"
Develop the 'Rate of Change' and you will find the wheel spins may not occur . . .
Develop the 'Rate of Change' and everything in abundance will/can easily happen for you . .
Too much 'stuff', may then become the issue . . . (for some) . . . . money, sex, property, . . .
Beyond 'Stuff' is the calm, the stillness, . . . the juice sharable . . .
The . . . Abun D A N C E . . . is there ALREADY . . .
Allowing it INto your life may not be . . .
Rate of Change development can be anything at all . . . highly individual for every person . . . Yoga for some, money for others, both for the 3rd . . .
By Allowing the abundance as a given, that already exists in your life, the change Allows more than what you need afterwards . . .
When is enough, enough of what it is, that is needed to work thru your life . . . to the place of Stillness where nothing is needed . . .
Cause all of everything is available to you . . .
This has been done over and over . . . by many people . . .
What we all say to ourselves stops our individual rate of change from blossoming . . . ! ! !
Just a thought . . .
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Re: "How great is the RATE OF CHANGE, that you Allow in your Life?"
Fri, August 29, 2008 - 12:16 PMHmmm... what stops the rate of change in one's life?
Closed~mindedness
Hangups
Concealment, hiding, deception
Disappointments
Superiority
Fear
The Unknown
Selfishness
Blame
Rationale {ill~logic, need to moralize actions}
Assumptions
Pride
Inability to shift {perspective}
Avoidance
Expectations
Rejection
Pretty much anything that one allows them~self to believe that here is nothing new, or more to be experienced... that one knows it all, or at least well enough to stop in personal growth. To stay at static stasis, unable to move due to set standards. Failure or inability to look closer. The terms I listed are what i see as gifts, tools... they can keep us from growth if we seek only pleasure and ignore 'pain' rather than attend to healing it; listening to what our 'negate~ivity' tells us about ourselves. Unfortunately, the stigma of unpleasantness is enough for many to victimize others {blame, expectation, divisiveness} rather than see 'This ____, is my experience alone... what do I want to do with it?'.
Last year it was weak men and their failings in respect to me that was the hard lesson... this year's theme seems to be keeping resentment to parents who aren't/weren't 'enough'.
2 things I've experienced much of in my life, and should not need to go through again, were i to take the assumption that it is all about me. What can I do for those whom bring their darkness, travails, confusion into my life but share what 'eye' have learned long since hence, actions over words?
Healing happens when you let go of the wound... it will mend itself, and everything with it!
It took me a minute to 'get' what you've proposed here, i'm unfamiliar with 'rate of change', let alone how to gauge such and am vaguely aware of cycles that seem to indicate rate of change in my life, movement past the point of previous incarnations, lifelines within life~time. As surely as the high tide is followed by the low, honesty with the Self leads to back to enrichment and blossoming, as you put it.
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Re: "How great is the RATE OF CHANGE, that you Allow in your Life?"
Fri, August 29, 2008 - 12:33 PMI think it all comes down to fear. But what does fear come down to?
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Fri, August 29, 2008 - 4:34 PMIt all depends on how willing you are to change. Your will is only the start because there are things that we have had all our lives that will have to be let go of. For instance some things you will have to let go of are your belief system, self-centeredness, the thoughts inside your head that tell you who you think you are and ther desire to control the outcome. I like to think of life as a school and we have lessons to learn along the way. If you feel stuck or the same things keep happening to you there is a lesson in there you must learn to move on to the next lesson. Rate of change is relative to how you relate to life and how much you let go of what you know. Fear is based on control and expectations. We have to take full responibility for our life, stop blaming others, be open, spontanious, childlike in attitude. There is only the present moment. That is all there is. -
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Fri, August 29, 2008 - 5:32 PM>>By Allowing the abundance as a given, that already exists in your life, the change Allows more than what you need afterwards . . . <<
I actually agree that abundance is--as you say--already a given in life. But doesn't that beg the question of how much of a need for change there is. What I mean is, if abundance just blossoms in our life--in my experience if we relax and allow for it--then why the fuck would we need to get all entangles up in rates of change, blablabla? Isn't that just another distraction from allowing the abundance to bloom? -
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Fri, August 29, 2008 - 5:56 PM
Life passes us by when we aren't present.
Presence: Being simply & completely, not allowing outside factors to determine what you feel or how you 'should' act. Owning yourself, owning your actions, thoughts and words. Re~evaluating what you think you know or why you know it, little reality checks when the friction kicks in.
The common need to control our environment or other factors in our lives can easily rob of abundance...even when it is right under your nose, a fearful, manipulative mind can't see it; that mind is too distracted by what if's?' and 'how can i?'. -
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Sat, August 30, 2008 - 12:24 AMSo where are we when we aren't present? Are you basically saying most people are usually not where they are? How can that be? -
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Mon, September 1, 2008 - 4:13 PM"So where are we when we aren't present?"
"Present is being still and staying in the moment. Many people never find the present moment because they have baggage from the past that they have not dealt with and it weighs heavy on the soul. These are the ones that are not satisfied with where they are and what they have at this very moment. There is something they need so they can be happy. The truth is there is nothing we need to be happy. Living in the present moment is all that is neccessary to be content. This moment is where we find out who we really are.
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Re: "How great is the RATE OF CHANGE, that you Allow in your Life?"
Sat, August 30, 2008 - 1:03 PM"Life passes us by when we aren't present."
And...
Life passes us by when we are present.
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Sun, August 31, 2008 - 3:58 AM>>We're always distracted and attached to something regardless of how we end up exercising judgment.<<
We do much of the time seem distracted. The way I've been looking at it of late is that--despite any distraction, attachment, desire, etc. we may be involved in--everything is, as they say, all good. Happiness is just there for the being, if we care to unlax (as Bugs Bunny says) and be.
But, this school we are in seems to be a domain of being distracted, attached, attracted... Kind of like we're in a theme park built on a foundation of profound and always available bliss, but we prefer--most of the time--to be distracted by some ride or the other. Usually the rides we gravitate twoards have to do with food, sex, and/or money. But they can be anything.
"Step right up, step right up! Care to go for a whilr on the Scrambler, buddy? Got some 'concerns' about the little lady, or maybe about how much you're earning? Then the Scrambler's for you. EVERYbody's riding it. Come on join in!"
And maybe at some point the Scrambler becomes uninteresting to us, so we take a few moments and breathe and relax and maybe start feeling something more of that always available openness and loooove, but then we get hungry and we get distracted by the barker: "Get yer deeeeelicious cotton candy here! Flavors galore!" Or we get attached to the chorus girls/boys, watching those swaying hips, tight butts, sexual odors, and--boy oh boy--do we want some of THAT.
I still think it's all good, especially if we can remember to feel as deep as we are able that always available bliss stuff underlying the whole theme park. -
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Sun, August 31, 2008 - 11:17 AMOk , so let me try to understand your metaphor: the theme park is "distraction", or our desires for shiny, worldly things, maybe?
I think that one is easy enough.
But what exactly does the "underlying bliss" consist of?
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Sun, August 31, 2008 - 12:55 PMFor me, just "being" can be described as a sort of underlying bliss. Strip away any so-called problems in our lives, and what's left? To me, everything seems pretty dang good underneath whatever we each (and collectively) do with our being.
Sure, problems and pains and suffering suck, but all of those distractions seem to arise within (or be a modification of) what is already there at base: a kind of a fertile, accommodating, abundant breeding ground for whatever we want to create, however or whoever we want to be. Not exactly a tabula rasa, but more of a fertile slate (my Latin fails me on that one).
That most of the time most of us create or take part in a great deal of suffering doesn't seem to me to be a property of the fertile slate (or underlying bliss) itself, but rather seems to be inherent in what we as a species are learning to evolve through. -
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Mon, September 1, 2008 - 10:14 AMI believe in the underlying fertile slate, as you say, but I don't necessarily experience it as a state of bliss.
I think it is miraculous and I'm deeply appreciative that I get to trod on this fertile earth ball this go-round, so I'm happy about that...
I think I stop short of calling it bliss, exactly, though.
Miraculous though it is, I'm reluctant to assign an emotive quality to it.
Or, if I do so, it's never a single emotive quality, it seems.
I can contemplate its beauty, but I must also contemplate its other qualities like transience and arbitrariness.
Maybe my appreciation isn't deep enough yet, or my attachment to worldly stuff (some of which is necessary, after all) blinds me somewhat or makes me a little bitter.
I've tended to be influenced by this Nietzsche quote; "Have you said 'yes' to even a single joy? Then, o my friends, you have said 'yes', also, to all woe."
Meaning simply, that I can't imagine having one emotive quality without having them all.
But maybe I'll try and keep this notion of underlying bliss more in mind while I'm out riding the bus around, etc., today. -
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Mon, September 1, 2008 - 4:29 PM>>I think I stop short of calling it bliss, exactly, though.
Miraculous though it is, I'm reluctant to assign an emotive quality to it.
Or, if I do so, it's never a single emotive quality, it seems.
I can contemplate its beauty, but I must also contemplate its other qualities like transience and arbitrariness.<<
already sounds a lot like Bliss to me
a hefty portion of transcendence
smothered in an inscrutable variety of emotive qualities
served with a gravy boat of bitter mystery
worldly stuff is how Bliss takes on local color
for any ride we want to ride
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Sun, August 31, 2008 - 1:36 PMGet your drift and all - Right On.
I think you hit the nail on the head with, "...if we can remember..."
Aye, but then again - there's the rub. Seems that that *if* is one pretty damn independent cowboy. Sometimes you'd almost think it had a mind of its own.
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Sun, August 31, 2008 - 3:06 PM>>I think you hit the nail on the head with, "...if we can remember..."
Aye, but then again - there's the rub. Seems that that *if* is one pretty damn independent cowboy. Sometimes you'd almost think it had a mind of its own.<<
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Sun, August 31, 2008 - 3:48 PM"That's why it's sometimes useful to remind each other..."
Yeah, you hit that one on the head as well.
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Sun, August 31, 2008 - 4:12 PMThanks for the reminder. :-)
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Sat, August 30, 2008 - 2:56 AMmisha - hilarious ! uh - but doesnt that require that you SPEND that dollar to GET the change? lol
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Sat, September 20, 2008 - 8:19 PMThe thought occurred between the above Blog Post and this writing that "Rate of Change" (ROC), can be viewed in relation to;
## How much of past-future projections, are carried around that creates our present Ego Identity?
1) If none of Past-Future is carried as Identity then we live FULLY IN THE PRESENCE OF NOW-MOMENT-AWARENESS . . . if this is so then all of Life experience IS a constant rate of change and simultaneously sitting where NO change happens as an experience of Life from the aspect of Non-Duality experience . . . SO, 100% rate of change is available (or can be Allowed in that experience) . . .
2) Given that Past is only Mind-Memory of the experience of our Life Lived (and even then is open to change relative to the position of our Awareness to past in the re-telling of past experience (s)), . . . IF/When Ego Identity is based on this past then ROC is slowed by the amount of attachment to the story that is projected upon our present view of Ego self by thought. So the amount of thought locked up in emotional states of attachment decrease our ROC.
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Sun, September 21, 2008 - 5:48 AMok - so im not up to speed on all the details, but one element that the scientist in me was bothered with is the confusion of units... rate is a derivative (usu wrt time). thus, you cannot measure a rate without at least two data points. you have to measure two things at each data point and then divide to get the rate (which - due to some mathematical trickeries can then be dropped [in the limit] to an instantaneous rate at a single point).
if you would like to discuss mathematical trickeries of limits, then the rate is usually assigned based upon time, to some point in the range - oftentime the beginning-pt - but it is only able to do so with the full knowledge that the end point is reached/reachable.
if you do not have any way to measure the two things (time and change, in this case) then trying to discuss a _rate_ is meaningless. your discussion was focused on the ambiguities of just measuring the direct thing (change) when you stopped allowing the other direct-thing (time) to be measured. if you are unwilling to measure direct things, then any other discussions based upon those measurements go from the intellectual masturbation of limits and rates - straight into the world of fantasy...
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Wed, October 29, 2008 - 3:19 AMwowww . . . some of the words written above, are just PLAINLY AWESOME . . . -
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Wed, October 29, 2008 - 7:40 AMHoly Necro'ed Threads, Batman!
I will say this, though; The thread has stood the test of time. It's still as random and full of pseudo-etc. as it was when it first popped up. -
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Wed, October 29, 2008 - 8:58 AMha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha -
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Wed, October 29, 2008 - 9:16 AMcreepy... looks like a cyborg laughing, all deadpan n shit -
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Wed, October 29, 2008 - 11:11 AMNothing is that funny... except maybe Dave Chappelle. That much laughter seems disingenuous. I actually thought all of the tribe malfunctions would have remedied the random ramblings but I guess not. -
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Wed, October 29, 2008 - 11:44 AMquel - Just looked insane to me, considering who was doing the laughing and all. I did wonder about typing all that shit out....or do you think they just have it on hand to cut and paste?
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Wed, October 29, 2008 - 11:34 AMharold, I have to agree with you.
Write it down and log it cuz it doesn't happen often. (hehe) But you're absolutely right in that one cannot request a rate of CHANGE without first delineating what exactly is being measured, and for how long...and also, under what circumstances? Too many unspoken and unaccounted for variables in this question.
This is precisely WHY I have such difficulty interpreting Sam=Sam and have therefor not contributed much to his/her/its posts here. I need something coherent and barring that, something at least a bit descriptive. If the question is subjective to interpretation, then offer me an example through which I can then use as a basis for understanding. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of useless nonsense that offers me no point from which I can then evaluate or interrogate any sort of sincere response.
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Wed, October 29, 2008 - 11:51 AMHold up, I think I may have found something that might help define Sam=Sam's initial question. It's called Bayes' Theorem.
In probability theory, Bayes' theorem relates the conditional and marginal probabilities of two random events. It is often used to compute posterior probabilities given observations. For example, a patient may be observed to have certain symptoms. Bayes' theorem can be used to compute the probability that a proposed diagnosis is correct, given that observation.
Bayes' theorem relates the conditional and marginal probabilities of events A and B, where B has a non-vanishing probability:
P(A|B) = P(B | A)\, P(A)}{P(B)}. Where P = conclusion, and A/B = the degree of BELIEF the subject has in the conclusion.
It measures correlation, not causation and the obvious flaw here, one that Sam=Sam seems to exemplify, is that the entire outcome is dependent on the subjects 'degree of belief'.
Now, if this helps anyone understand Sam=Sam better, then great! However, if it still seems like a waste of mental energy, then you are not alone.
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Wed, October 29, 2008 - 9:58 PMwhee - im right, im right !!! rofl... uh, im still going up-the-threads and noticed this one now... i think sam is so far into his own head that it is probably not worth trying to discuss anything with him... if he truly wants to have Di-alogue, then hes gonna have to come down off his soapbox, imo.
otoh, sometimes i really am in the mood for meta-discussions - so if thats your thing... go fot it...
hugs, h.
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Thu, October 30, 2008 - 7:28 PMWhat can a person say when all that SEEMS to come from them is verbal abuse . . .in a subtle form . . . as in the above . .
Do YOU have an answer . . .
Again a question is asked ?
Do you dare answer the question ?
How BIG is your rate of change in yr life that you can suspend the old patterns that throw darts at me . . .
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Thu, October 30, 2008 - 7:30 PMITS INTERESTING not many people ACTUALLY resort to discussing the topic . . . .
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