The ugly beast of passive-aggressive comunication...

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...has reared its ugly head once again. Why-oh-why do some people choose this over actual communication? In just the past week three of the adults in my life have created a bit of a cluster-fuck with passive-aggressive communication and I finally put my foot down and refused to engage with them on this level.

The first, ugliest and also most ridiculous scenario involves one of my roommates and two cat litter boxes. I generally clean the cat boxes once every two weeks, and use a 'pooper scooper' in the interim. But due to a hectic holiday catering schedule, the kiddo's all being out of school and the fact that I've had a runny nose and couldn't really smell the cat boxes, I was remiss in getting them thoroughly cleaned out on time. Enter my roommate who, after coming out of what I can only call a cycle of depression (not going to work, school and spending up to 16 hours a day in bed sleeping and spending his awake hours on his computer in his room) went into a cycle of mania. As far as I know he's never been diagnosed with bi-polar disorder, just chronic depression for which he takes meds. Anyway, he suddenly had tons of energy and began several huge projects, including building an awesome snowboarding ramp in our backyard that starts at the roof of our garage! The kids have had a blast on it. But I woke up on Sunday to him cleaning out my cat litter boxes while wearing a bandana around his face. He was obviously disgusted and very irritated and I told him that he didn't have to do that and that I'd planed on doing it that day anyway as I had no clients and no plans other than housecleaning. Long story short (oops, too late) he didn't accept my offer and instead decided to berate me and then told me that several people he's spoken with about it told him it was a health issue and could make him sick to have to breathe in dirty cat waste. I don't disagree, and this is why I usually clean them out more frequently. But here's what I don't understand...if he had the time and energy to talk to several 'friends' about this, then why couldn't he find the time/energy to bring it to the attention of the one person that would've solved the problem (me)?

In any case, as passive-aggression often does, the communication snowballed into attack-defense mode and he, once again, threatened to move out. So this time, cuz I'm sick of him using this bully tactic on me, I called his bluff and said, "Okay. Perhaps that would be best for both of us". I don't think he took me seriously until the next day when I returned his rent to him and asked him how to go about switching the internet bill over to my name (everything else is already in my name).

The other case doesn't seem to involve me directly, but the two friends involved have more or less invoked me without conferring with me first. To be honest, I'm not even clear on the details. It seems to be about their friendship being a bit rocky (in general) and one of them works for me part time while the other one rents my attic space (almost her own separate apartment). And because I'm teh one in contact with both of them they've begun using me as their sounding board for their feelings about the other. When one called me yesterday and asked me is the other said [this or that], and then the other pulled me aside to day and asked the same damn thing, I realized that this was going somewhere ugly fast and I had no desire to be caught int he middle. So, i told them both not to discuss the other with me and that if they continued to do so, that I would have no recourse but to be open and honest about what the other was saying since they are ridiculously refusing to express themselves to each other. I don't know if that's really the *right* thing to do, but I am fucking sick of grown folks pulling this shit on each other and I flat out refuse to be a part of it. END OF GAME. DO NOT INSERT ANOTHER TOKEN.

whew

-K
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  • Unsu...
     
    I neglected to mention that roommate #1 berated me and yelled at me in front of one of my 7 year olds. That pretty much clinched the whole moving out thing for me once he used is a threat (again).

    -K
    • Yeah, get rid of that crazy roommate and tell your friends that we all graduated from eighth grade long ago. You will find another roommate and your friends can find other people to dump on.

      FUnny how that whole being an adult thing never really catchs on with some people.
      • Agreed Elaine. I am so glad I have made my life a no Drama Zone. The first offense gets a discussion concerning good communication skills along with the typical diatribe about what kind of communication I will tolerate. The second is a Bu Bye...

        I may not have a lot of friends but those I have I cherish. Then again a lot of friends was never a goal and my tolerance for crap has dropped significantly as I age.

        JSin
        • Perhaps an important thing to remember is that you started it and you ended it.
          And what happens in the middle may not be changed by not starting or not ending.

          There's always some risk involved in relations that are not in love,
          for the mere chance of falling out of love.

          It's pretty tough to go the sink or swim route,
          but personnel saviors should be among the highest compensated professions.
          (some health caretakers, lawyers, firefighters, defenders, etc)
          Saving lives is very serious business and I suspect takes an unequal toll
          between 'wins' and 'losses'.

          I would be curious to know if the half of all marriages end in divorce
          bears any statistical comparison to half of all relations end in estranement.
          A scary thought.

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            Not in love, glen, so no possibility of falling out-of-love. This wasn't a marriage or even a romance. It was a friendship, then a domestic arrangement as house mates.

            Anyway, he's moving out this week. So far we've been able to remain civil and hopefully one day we'll actually be able to be *friendly* again. I don't tend to give up on friendships so easily...most likely because it takes a lot to nurture them to the point that I consider them friendships. But only time will tell if we're able to achieve this. Right now I just feel incredibly relieved. I didn't realize just how oppressed I was feeling by this arrangement until now. Ah. I can finally breathe again.

            -K
  • <: The ugly beast of passive-aggressive comunication......has reared its ugly head once again. Why-oh-why do some people choose this over actual communication?>

    I was thinking about this concept.

    Communication is information exchange.

    While passive-aggressive communication may be difficult to take, and not to be encouraged, it is still a form of communication. I think it is key not to reply in kind, but does this mean that you should ignore the information you receive because it was received in a way unacceptable to you ? Knowing something about someone, whether fact or feeling, can open the door to talking. So many passive-aggressive communication can still be "listened" to, the issue it raises tackled, and the person who exhibits it encouraged to communicate in a form agreeable to you ?

    Picking up body language and tone is important, and simply because these are not words, we do not discard them, perhaps we should not discard the messages passive-aggressive communication convey just because how they were sent ?

    Or am I standing in a big, deep and dark hole in this view ?
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      All good points, Bloke. And I don't dismiss P/A communication so much as try to translate it into direct communication when necessary and avoid it whenever possible.

      -K
      • *breathes sigh of relief*

        I was worried I would hear that limb I was out on crack :)

        <And I don't dismiss P/A communication so much as try to translate it into direct communication when necessary and avoid it whenever possible. >

        Amen ! :)
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          Bloke, you are right, passive-agressive communication is still communication...the problem lies in the toll it takes on relationships. it's exhausting to constantly interpret what it means and react appropriately, and it's fraught with the possibility of error.
          • Great points Free and Bloke. Though all types of communication are fraught with potential misunderstanding - a great example of this is cross-cultural communication when both parties come from cultures that function very differently. (A great example is the West Coast East Coast difference in communication styles and social mores.) Both may actually be being very polite/normal according to their own cultural tradition but their polite/normal actions or inactions my actually read as impolite to the other party (and both parties may not be aware of how they communicate on a cultural level since it's just "normal" and "how it's done" to them). A great deal of conflict can actually be attributed to this kind of thing (it's a bit like putting dogs and cats in a room together - the way they communicate is just too different for cross-species communication unless they've been brought up together and have learned a common "language").
          • "Bloke, you are right, passive-agressive communication is still communication...the problem lies in the toll it takes on relationships. it's exhausting to constantly interpret what it means and react appropriately, and it's fraught with the possibility of error."

            While I appreciate the sympathetic view Bloke is proposing, this is just too accurate. How much responsibility do I, a man who tries pretty damn hard to always be clear about what I'm saying and what I mean by it, have when it comes to translating p/a siliness? When I'm forced to translate p/a in my personal life I get really shitty with the person I'm talking to. It typically leads to more conflict than if the person just had the balls to come out and say what they mean clearly. I don't believe taking the responsibility of clear communication from the person expressing themselves helps the situation at all.
            • Josh - Well you hit on the core of the problem with passive aggression, it's an attempt by the person who's pretending to be passive/nice (the two are often interchangable in their head) to avoid being responsible for feelings they're having they're in denial about - it's fundamentally dishonest so creates it difficult to actually address an issue since it's about blaming. I find a lot of passive aggressive people are very attached to some idea of themselves as "good" or "nice" or "more spiritual than..." so they disassociate from their own (self perceived) "dark" side and project it onto others. Of course, they've already judged the Other as "evil" or "bad" because they AREN'T repressing themselves - plus there's usually a backlog of resentment against people who don't play the good/bad child game for approval like they do. Most passive aggressive people don't even recognize their own aggression, they simply project anything they feel onto the "bad" person so they can continue to consider themselves virtuous and more worth of love (cue the theme for the Martyr's Intro to Symphony of Whining for an orchestra of tiny violins and nano-cellos).
              • Luckily the passive-agressive people I typically encounter aren't that bad, Fifi. Most of the ones I meet just don't want anybody to get mad. So they couch their opinions in p/a phrases so that nobody gets mad. So it's still about blame, but they're just making sure nobody can be blamed for anything.
                • Josh - Eh, I just see those people as being passive and non-confrontational - sometimes their neurotic peacemakers - but I have no problem with that really and tend to reel back my own assertive tendencies to accommodate shy and quiet people (who I generally quite like a lot). There's really no aggression to be had in these cases most of the time! I find passive aggressive people are very obviously aggressive to everyone with eyes and ears except themselves (and people who tell the same lie to themselves about being "good" people because they deny their own aggression and project it onto others). The most insidious are, of course, the "spiritual" versions but it exists in many shapes and forms.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    My parents used to spank me (more of a beating, actually) when I was a child if I expressed anger or frustration too directly to them. So I guess I am rather passive-agressive-it was "beaten" into me.

                    I realize people who were allowed to express their emotions honestly as children are impatient with passive-aggressive people. but maybe YOU can communicate with them on a deeper level and find out why they are that way before completely cutting them out of your lives.

                    I just wanted to give you another perspectiveon why some people aren't as open and have a hard time confronting people....
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                      I get that passive-aggressive people are generally that way because they've been raised to be so...whether through direct abuse or through the more subtle but equally as damaging emotional abuse. My own childhood was marked with plenty of that and I used to be very passive-aggressive. So much so, in fact, that I was incapable of even recognizing it. So, I decided to delve in and try to understand what this beast was all about so I could then work on dismantling it and finding new and more effective methods of communication. It's been about 20 years since I made tis conscious decision and I find that communication in general is now far less exhausting than it was when I was alaways second-guessing everyone because I felt I couldn't trust their intentions, and/or only partially stating how I was feeling because to be direct might risk that oh-so-dreaded conflict I sought so hard to avoid. Whew. I tell ya, having ot be psychic AND elusive all at the same time was very taxing on me in every possible way.

                      But the point I'm trying to make here is that it's all well and good to understand the source of why a person is the way they are...but it's not good sitting on it as a throne of justification. At some point we all have to stop blaming our parents, our grandparents, our schoolyard bullies, our siblings, etc. and take responsibility for WHO we are and HOW we choose to interact in this world.

                      -K
                      • I didn't really realize I was Passive Aggressive until I was 27 (only a little over a year ago). I was having problems with a co-worker and got a book about "How to Handle Difficult Co-Workers". I was looking for the "Personality Type" of this woman, since I was pretty sure that "Total Biatch" wasn't in the book. When I read the first couple of sentences for "Passive Aggressive", I was like "Wait a minute-this describes me."

                        So I imagine it takes a while for people to realize (and then more time to even admit to themselves) that they have this problem (or even any problem, for that matter!) Then it doesn't happen to be something you can just change overnight even once you are aware of the problem....

                        Maybe the problem roommate doesn't really realize that he is responding in this matter. You are the one who is identifying "people's personality problems" so you should probably be the one doing the legwork to find out how to communicate more effectively with passive aggressive people....

                        It sounds like you have totally cut this person out of your life, but you will probably meet more passive aggressive people who don't realize that they are in your lifetime.....
                    • See, now, my step-dad beat the *fuck* out of me, and I realized that I used some passive-aggressive ways of coping during my years with him. It was me taking power where I could, and being glad that he was too arrogant or drunk to notice. My every day, in every way, little "fuck YOU" to him helped me feel just a little bit better. The way it would primarily manifest was in how I would perform chores, like setting the table, for example. I'd make sure that he had his napkin folded a different way, that his knife was pointed the opposite direction from all of the other place settings, etc. While it may not make any rational sense, it did to me when I was little and in pain. I pray that we *all* grow from that place, but I know better, having my previous partners for reference. Maturity is hard-fought, and I wish you the best, Kryssa-angel!
  • Dayum K! You seem to attract some real dooozie roommates. Other have given good advice here, so I'll refrain, but I will say that a certain member of my close family is one of the most passive-aggressive people I know (and in MAJOR denial, I made the mistake of telling it to her directly, bad idea in hindsight.) It's pretty much destroyed the relationship my wife and I have with her, and had ripple effects to other parts of our family. Not that my wife or I are blameless (or free from any passive-aggression), but at least we've tried to be straight up and even blunt sometimes, which I'll take ANY DAY over passive-aggressive bullshit.

    FUCK PASSIVE-AGGRESSION! And I'm really not condemning anyone who is, or was, passive-aggressive. Just know your actions are more damaging than you may care to admit. And far less honest than is healthy.

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