Any natural redheads here?

topic posted Thu, May 15, 2008 - 7:33 PM by 
Well, prepare to be the last of your kind.

www.news.com.au/story/0,23...3-2,00.html

"Gingers extinct in 100 years, say scientists

August 23, 2007 02:00am
Article from: The Courier-Mail

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REDHEADS are becoming rarer and could be extinct in 100 years, according to genetic scientists.

The current National Geographic magazine reports that less than two per cent of the world's population has natural red hair, created by a mutation in northern Europe thousands of years ago.

Global intermingling, which broadens the availability of possible partners, has reduced the chances of redheads meeting and producing little redheads of their own.

It takes only one red-haired parent to produce ginger-headed babies, but two redheads obviously create a much stronger possibility."

-K

(perhaps we should create our own "Red Headed League"...some of you may recall this league from a certain series of detective novels)
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  • Re: Any natural redheads here?

    Fri, May 16, 2008 - 11:42 AM
    Having spent time in both Scotland and Ireland there is no way I could believe for a second that all that red could go extinct in just 100 years. And even after a 100 years there will still be some of those Icelandic folks with their pure Viking genes to provide red for the world.
    • Re: Any natural redheads here?

      Fri, May 16, 2008 - 12:07 PM
      The other aspect of it is even in Brunettes that pesky red shows through. While others try and pay a shitload for red highlights I dye my beard black to create a deeper appearance of evil. My Nord blood shows through.

      My Dad is a redhead. Mom is black haired... Me I got as many red strays as grey ones. My daughter.... Dirty brown with a pretty red glow about her when the sun hits her just right... Well In my blackened charred evil heart she always glows bright.

      JSin
      • Re: Any natural redheads here?

        Fri, May 16, 2008 - 12:53 PM
        Yeah, whenever my guy grows his beard I always call him Captain Red Beard. I am just glad my little guy didn't end up with red hair. Don't get me wrong I think red hair is as cute as it comes on most folks, especially a cute Scotsman but many of the mixed race black folks with red hair and freckles just don't look quite right to me.
        • Re: Any natural redheads here?

          Fri, May 16, 2008 - 1:06 PM
          Yeah I have always felt a bit unnerved by that appearance. I never have known why. Always have felt it was some unacknowledged racist streak. It kinda made me feel dirty and wrong. But when I drag it out and look at it real close in the light I find it is not. I think it is aesthetic. It just does not look as right as it could be. Kinda like an afro on a china white skinny assed dude.

          JSin
          • Re: Any natural redheads here?

            Fri, May 16, 2008 - 1:14 PM
            Yeah, I was not comfortable saying it for a long time either but then once my friend and I were talking about it and she cracked up and said, "what is wrong you don't want your kids to look like Sinbad? I had to laugh. Actually Sinbad isn't as bad as what I really fear. I used to know this one girl with a big red Little Orphan Annie afro and freckles and pale pale skin but all her features were very black and I don't know why but it was always trippy looking to me.
            Of course I have always liked red headed dudes and ultimately I partnered with a Scotsman so I was always wondering if my view on that would change if I ended up with a little red myself.
            • Re: Any natural redheads here?

              Fri, May 16, 2008 - 1:23 PM
              i have a redheaded friend who has a little boy with her jamaican partner...
              all the kid's features are like his father's, right down to his curly little 'fro,
              but he's got this golden skin and blond hair... and he's adorable, but it was
              definitely one of those 'errrr, wtf...' moments the first time i saw him.

              my little sister is super pale and naturally has literally carrot colored hair,
              while both my parents, my brother and i are brunettes - the only other redhead
              in the family is a great aunt.
              i have red in my hair no matter WHAT i do... i went blonde, black, back to
              brown, and it's always got this auburn shine to it...

              i think the redheads are gonna stick around for longer than another century.
              • Re: Any natural redheads here?

                Fri, May 16, 2008 - 3:25 PM
                I actually think the blond and black combo is rather easy on the eyes. I have a few cousins with that look along with green eyes and I think they are stunning. I have no idea why that combo works for me and the other does not. Eye of the beholder, I guess.
                • Re: Any natural redheads here?

                  Fri, May 16, 2008 - 4:28 PM
                  So just curious. I like the term Mulatto as a reference to mixed black white combos... to me at least it conjures pictures of exotic <not to be taken as ornamental> But I understand that many take it as derogatory.

                  Personally I find the term mixed to be less than humanizing. Like they should be perceived as less than the sum of their parts.

                  I also understand why, after doing some reading that some may take offense.
                  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulatto

                  Then again I am proud of my status as a Freak.. So my perception may be Skued.

                  JSin
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                    Re: Any natural redheads here?

                    Fri, May 16, 2008 - 9:37 PM
                    Yeah, I have never liked Mulatto because of the whole mule connection and the suggestion that the Spanish were fine creatures and the Africans were simple beast of burden and their offspring were also beast of burden is pretty sucky. I guess as someone who is Venezuelan and African American with a brother who is Irish and African American I have always been comfortable with saying mixed but I know some folks don't like it. Unlike mulatto the word mixed doesn't have some weird derogatory history attached to it, rather it is just word preference so if folks don't like it they don't have to use it.
                    • Re: Any natural redheads here?

                      Fri, May 16, 2008 - 11:59 PM
                      There really should be a better term. Ya know... One that doesn't denigrate... but also doesn't have that sick sweet aftertaste of political correctness

                      JSin
                      • Re: Any natural redheads here?

                        Sat, May 17, 2008 - 1:51 AM
                        If you think about it, we are pretty mixed in our genetic makeup.
                        • Re: Any natural redheads here?

                          Sat, May 17, 2008 - 8:49 AM
                          I'm another with red in my hair - especially in bright sunlight, the red really comes out - and if I spend a lot of time in the sun it turns auburn. But I really like the red aspect to my hair , and when I cover up those pesky grays I do it with a red-brown color to bring it out more.

                          I have blue and yellow eyes that turn greenish when I wear green, and lots of freckles, so everyone assumes I'm Irish especially if I'm wearing green...I'm not :). 1/4 Scots, that's as close as I get.
                        • Re: Any natural redheads here?

                          Sat, May 17, 2008 - 9:10 AM
                          Elaine wrote:
                          >"If you think about it, we are pretty mixed in our genetic makeup."<
                          This is absolutely true.

                          Perhaps that is part of why the term mixed becomes troublesome as well. It assumes that the only mixture of relevance is black and white, as though it is some odd anomaly. If I use some sort of differentiating descriptor it would be primarily to differentiate between 2 people so someone else knew who I was talking about.

                          JSin
                          • Re: Any natural redheads here?

                            Sat, May 17, 2008 - 5:47 PM
                            Actually plenty of my friends of other mixtures besides black and white use that term. I have never once thought it referred to only one type of mixture. Why would it?

                            And yeah when it comes down to it everyone is a bit mixed. The Scots know that the only reason they even have all that red is because the Vikings came along and mixed it in there. Through out world history there is so much mixture upon mixture that when it comes down to it no one is pure anything.
                            • Re: Any natural redheads here?

                              Sat, May 17, 2008 - 7:00 PM
                              Ain't that the truth, Yuni!

                              I love all the incredible variations that humans come in. I, myself, am quite a mixture but I have no idea as to what exactly I'm a mixture of. Believe it or not, my father has rather black features (though pale skin) and a definite fro that has been passed down, in a somewhat diluted version, to 2 of my kiddo's. Nobody knows quite where or how he got his features (unless grandma had a secret) but that's the point...none of us really *know* our actual genetic and cultural origins...except maybe the Japanese, but I digress.

                              I have no idea if this redhead extinction thing is just a hoax or not. I have looked it up and found various sources both validating and debunking it. But I have sure enjoyed how this conversation has evolved.

                              Also, I can't help but wonder if there might be some innate something or other that causes many redheads to be somewhat repelled by each other. I know that I've never been attracted to a redheaded man (except maybe for Eric Stoltz' character in Rob Roy...yum!) and I'm fairly certain there haven't been many or any that have been all that attracted to me. I also don't recall ever knowing a couple where both partners had red hair. And it is recessive, so it would make some amount of sense that this genetic mutation is on the downslide.

                              Interestingly, I did find a couple of online sources that mentioned Ghengis Khan being the most prolific male breeder recorded in human history. He either raped or spawned with something like 4,000 women in his diabolical plights!

                              Anyway, I am at least mostly certain that I am pure human...not taking into account my superhero mutations. Muahahahahahahahahahahaha!

                              -K


                              • Re: Any natural redheads here?

                                Sat, May 17, 2008 - 8:54 PM
                                Even those who think they know for sure what their origins are may be surprised by what is actually in there. I remember having a conversation with a couple of Icelandic friends a while back about this because their country is considered one of the most homogeneous countries in the world with practically everyone being able to trace back their "pure Viking" roots almost two thousand years. Yet, there is still some mixing that went on in there. The Vikings loved nothing more than to go a Viking and rape and pillage on foreign shores and mostly they left their seeds over there but now and then they brought home their conquests and those women of Gaul and Britain and even inuit backgrounds brought their genes right along with them. This sort of thing has been repeated by so many cultures for so long. The Mongols invaded the near east and some of them even converted to Islam eventually and married the women. The Moors invaded Spain and spread their seed there. It happened over and over in so many places and you know it was happening long before recorded history. Can even the Japanese truly claim to be so pure? I think not.
                                • Re: Any natural redheads here?

                                  Sat, May 17, 2008 - 9:12 PM
                                  No, of course the Japanese aren't "pure" but that doesn't stop them from claiming such. I know many Japanese folks and have learned quite a lot about their culture (and language) in the past 6 years and I would say that most of them simply assume this is true. It's an important part of their culture...and the societal hierarchies are (sadly) based on this assumption to such a large degree that I don't see it changing anytime soon.

                                  However, even among the Japanese 'purists' there is really no denying their Chinese ancestry as their alphabet is based on the same characters. Oh, and apparently there are Japanese redheads but they are considered to be both mongrels and highly exotic...interesting dichotomy.

                                  -K
                • Re: Any natural redheads here?

                  Mon, May 19, 2008 - 2:21 PM
                  I have a few cousins with that look along with green eyes and I think they are stunning. I have no idea why that combo works for me and the other does not. Eye of the beholder, I guess.
                  ~~~~~~~~~~

                  There is something uniquely true about natural redheads that doesn't seem to really apply to any other race, at least not quite in the same way. Natural redheads tend to be either gorgeous or downright unattractive. There doesn't seem to be much middle ground, and hell, for all l know, it could just be the disconcerting 'red eyelashes and brows' thing, but it does seem to be true. lt's disconcerting in much the same way that albinos are for me, and no other race or group or genetic combination has quite the same reaction in me. Sinbad is funny looking. Blonde and black combos DO work better. lt ain't a racist thang; it's just general fact. That said, yo baby gone be hot. Bet on it.
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                    Re: Any natural redheads here?

                    Wed, May 21, 2008 - 6:59 AM
                    "Oh, and apparently there are Japanese redheads but they are considered to be both mongrels and highly exotic...interesting dichotomy. "

                    Actually any redheads in Japan more then likely have Ainu blood.(non japanese) The Ainu belong to a very ancient race of people who's traces have been found all over the world. (including Alaska)

                    www.ainu-museum.or.jp/english...ish.html
        • Re: Any natural redheads here?

          Fri, May 16, 2008 - 5:57 PM
          I am the only blonde left in my groups of siblings. And my hair has gone reddish with light blonde streaks, I find course wavy red hair strands all the time.

          I think biracial kids are often so amazingly beautiful. I think my favorite combo so far is the half asian half black children some saquitances of mine had.

          OH dear god, they are amazing looking.

          And I saw some lovely mixed people in Belize, they are a great example of the racial melting pot.
          • Re: Any natural redheads here?

            Mon, May 19, 2008 - 12:51 PM
            Are redheads going extinct?
            by Jacob Silverman

            In August 2007, many news organizations reported that redheads or "gingers," as our British and Australian friends call them, would eventually become extinct. Other news outlets and blogs picked up the story, citing the "Oxford Hair Foundation" or "genetic scientists" who claimed that there would be no more redheads by as early as 2060 [source: The Courier Mail]. It turns out that all those people were wrong. Redheads are here to stay and should be around well beyond 2060.


            The story of redhead extinction has gone around the Internet before, most recently in 2005, with news articles again citing the Oxford Hair Foundation as a source. These articles work on the mistaken assumption that recessive genes -- like the one for red hair -- can "die out." Recessive genes can become rare but don't disappear completely unless everyone carrying that gene dies or fails to reproduce. So while red hair may remain rare, enough people carry the gene that, barring global catastrophe, redheads should continue to appear for some time.

            Some of the articles discussing redhead extinction referred to the Oxford Hair Foundation as an "independent" institute or research foundation, but a Google search shows that the Oxford Hair Foundation is funded by Proctor & Gamble, makers of numerous beauty products -- including red hair dye.

            In the most recent wave of redhead extinction warnings, some news outlets incorrectly cited the September 2007 issue of National Geographic as the source of the extinction claims. Others, correctly, cited that issue of National Geographic for the statistics it presented in a short piece on redheads. In fact, the National Geographic story provided some data about red hair in the world population, but it only said that "news reports" have claimed that redheads were going extinct [source: National Geographic]. The piece did not explicitly back the claim. Instead, the article stated that "while redheads may decline, the potential for red isn't going away" [source: National Geographic]. Unfortunately the misconception about disappearing redheads is now widespread.

            Experts who have been interviewed agree that the redhead extinction claim is bogus. David Pearce from the University of Rochester Medical Center told the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle in 2005 -- after the last round of redhead extinction news -- that the scientists behind the original claim should "check their calculator" [source: Seattle Times]. Rick Sturm, a researcher in hair and skin genetics at the University of Queensland, told the Australian Broadcasting Company that "there's no shortage of red-heads" and that the Oxford Hair Foundation didn't provide sufficient scientific evidence to prove its findings [source: ABC Canberra].

            Red hair is caused by a mutation in the MC1R gene. It's also a recessive trait, so it takes both parents passing on a mutated version of the MC1R gene to produce a redheaded child. Because it's a recessive trait, red hair can easily skip a generation. It can then reappear after skipping one or more generations if both parents, no matter their hair color, carry the red hair gene.

            science.howstuffworks.com/redhe...on.htm
        • Re: Any natural redheads here?

          Mon, May 19, 2008 - 2:15 PM
          Yeah, whenever my guy grows his beard I always call him Captain Red Beard.
          ~~~~~~~~~~~

          l was born with my dad's sandy blonde hair. He always had a mustache, same color. One year in Brussels, for shits and giggles l guess (or cuz the weather was similar to Seattle's), he grew out a beard and it came in bright red. lt was the ugliest shit ever and my mother and l were so embarrassed to be seen with him that he kept it going just to fuck with us. l've been dying my hair various shades of red for a while now, but apparently some natural hues are creeping in. l'm glad, because now l can actually say l really was meant to be born a redhead, which l've been saying for decades now, but now l can actually confirm. FIRE IN THE HOLE!!!

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