heroes

topic posted Tue, April 8, 2008 - 1:29 PM by  quelquechose
Who are your heroes and why? Do you think that the fine tooth comb with which we examine public figures takes away any chance of certain people being looked at as heroes? Would MLK be a hero had his philandering been a big deal when he was alive?
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quelquechose
Los Angeles
  • Re: heroes

    Tue, April 8, 2008 - 1:46 PM
    Nice topic quel. For my part, I'm interested in the human aspects of "heroes" and how even the greatest achievements come not from some perfected being but from some flawed human who was struggling with what was in front of them at that moment in time. I have a very long list of people I respect and admire but I don't really have any heroes that stand on pedestals waiting for the reality to topple them from on high.
    • Re: heroes

      Tue, April 8, 2008 - 3:29 PM
      I can't think of any heroes I may have either, probably the closest would be Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and Friedrich Nietzsche. All of which were highly flawed but created unbelievably influential work against sometimes staggering odds against them.

      I think a good part of why I admire them is they have human aspects and flaws. It always seems to me those that have no apparent flaws likely are the least honest. The old if it seems to good to be true it probably is.

      I guess I am kinda curious in terms of what aspects would make someone a hero, or why someone would be a hero. Does it simply take admiration and respect or do they have to show some super human aspect
      • Re: heroes

        Tue, April 8, 2008 - 5:29 PM
        Good questions, Jsin, what does a hero make?
        For me, my heroes have always been the many people who put themselves in harm's way during the Civil Rights movement so I could have the opportunities I do today.

        I think, for me , a hero is someone who proves that they can overcome for the greater good or to give atremendous gift to the world, someone with unusual talents that dares to use them.
      • Re: heroes

        Tue, April 8, 2008 - 6:18 PM
        Jsin, great lineup. I'd add da Vinci and Einstein to the team.

        Maybe 'human' rather than 'superhuman' - those who left a trace and across time are able to touch us.
  • Re: heroes

    Tue, April 8, 2008 - 3:25 PM
    Mr. Franke, my high school choir teacher, and Henry Rollins.

    It's easy to see that neither of these men are even remotely perfect. The fact that I look up to them despite their flaws speaks volumes about what kind of people they are.
    • Re: heroes

      Tue, April 8, 2008 - 10:27 PM
      While I admire people who fight for what they believe in, what makes people heroes in my book are those that do something extraordinary under circumstances where it would be far easier not to. Yes, like the Civil Rights movement, as well as the people who hid or otherwise protected Jews during Hitler's reign. By all accounts, it would have been easier to turn away, but they risked their own life anyway because it was the right thing to do.




      • Re: heroes

        Wed, April 9, 2008 - 8:31 AM
        Arrow - Great definition of a hero and I'd agree with it, and add in the thought that many "heroes" are actually doing what they ordinarily would under extraordinary circumstances, they maintain their integrity.

        I'd also say that cultural heroes like Ghandi and MLK tend to be made into examples of perfect goodness which tends to ignore their rather flawed humanity, they become idealized (which is ultimately pretty disempowering in some ways since it divides the hero from the common man or woman). Plus, the heroes at the head of social movements are just the celebrated tip of the iceberg, the visible tip of a much, much larger group of people who face as much, if not more, danger as the leaders.

        Malcolm X is someone I greatly admire for many reasons, his open humanity and ability to admit to being wrong about something being two of them.
        • Re: heroes

          Wed, April 9, 2008 - 9:56 AM
          There is a small Malcolm X tribe at

          tribes.tribe.net/malcom-x

          ~margi
          • Re: heroes

            Wed, April 9, 2008 - 11:44 AM
            I used to be awestruck by a few famous people (as opposed to just admiring them) but in my life I'd actually had the experience of working with or for them, of knowing them and even of living with them, and I soon learned . . . . nope, just people. Some are nice, and some are jerks, and probably a bit or a lot more jerky than they would have been if they hadn't gotten famous. When it comes to people like musicians and artists, it's so easy to identify them as being the same as the content of the music and art they produce - but the creative process does its own thing, just through them, often as if they were simply channeling it. The person who hears a beautiful love song and thinks the singer actually thinks of/treats women just like that could be so wrong! When it comes to people famous for their leadership or their work, I think that there you can be a bit more confident in ascribing similar characteristics to them as are found in their accomplishments. But still -- just people in the end. Pretty much the only "hero" I've ever had along this line is Nelson Mandela, but this is because I admire the fact that he endured what he endured without, apparently, becoming contaminated by it. A quality I'd like to have, for sure. I even named a cat after the guy when he was released from prison! But I know that I don't actually know the man, even though I've read his autobiography.

            And even arch villains have their little things that they enjoy or that they love, in sharp contrast to their acfions. In a way I've always been a bit annoyed by that! they're supposed to be totally bad, so I can be of a clear mind about them, lol!
  • Re: heroes

    Tue, April 8, 2008 - 10:49 PM
    Some of my heros are:
    - Ghandhi
    - Vandana Shiva
    - Wanghari Matthai
    - Arundhati Roy

    For standing against oppression against overwhelming odds, for campaigning against the weight and power of multinationals riding roughshod over peoples' ancestral rights, for getting up and mobilising women to plant incredible millions of trees, and for telling the truth against the power of empire and big money politics.
  • Re: heroes

    Wed, April 9, 2008 - 11:23 AM
    Not sure.
    I have people whom I admire within their field of endeavor, but not necessarily outside of it.
    They are heroes to some degree because they put it all on the line (so to speak) to pursue what they loved to do.
    I'm thinking mostly within the art and music world there.

    I'm reading about early fur trappers in the Pacific Northwest, and I'm amazed at the energy they had. They seem to be constantly riding back and forth across the continent, living off of the land, or sometimes off of the good graces of the tribes that they encounter.
    The Paiutes of this area ranged across the hugely expansive high desert which is a good part of eastern Oregon, migrating to follow game, foraging conditions, etc. To have that kind of knowledge of the land, skill and independence, is impressive to me.
  • Re: heroes

    Wed, April 9, 2008 - 10:09 PM
    I just got back from a conference my org put on that involved a lot of incredible young people who've taken on social justice and environmental issues in their communities and have had considerable positive impact - these are my heroes.

    As someone who has in the past worked with and continues to work with some "activist celebrities" I can say that one of the earliest and most important lessons I've learned in that game is that *everyone* who's working toward a better way of life for us is just as important as *anyone* else. I tend to shy away from looking at well-known activists as heroes and find more heroism in the silent warriors who just truck along and try to stay on their path.
  • Re: heroes

    Sun, April 13, 2008 - 8:54 PM
    To me, a hero is someone who selflessly serves others or who fights for justice without carnal weapons.

    Ghandhi
    Mother Teresa
    Amma
    Martin Luther King Jr.
    Alice Paul
    to name a few...
    • Re: heroes

      Sun, April 13, 2008 - 9:08 PM
      Marco Pierre White
      Rachel Brice
      Emma Goldman
      Krishnamurti (in small doses)
      Jaco Pastorius
      Joni Mitchell
      Vaclav Havel
      John Irving
      Richard Feynman

      ...in exactly that order.

      I don't care so much about the selfless servers these days. I prefer the outta the box thinkers and doers. It's come down to the micro-cosmic influences more than the macro-cosmic one's for me. It's a big world out there and an even bigger universe (multi-verse?) and if I'm able to maintain focus on MY part of that, and those select few mentors/teachers/heroes that have managed to dig some grooves into my psyche then all is good.

      -K

      -K

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