seeking millionaire

topic posted Fri, March 28, 2008 - 6:33 PM by  kalsang
Ugh, that's a nasty new ad I have on my screen.
"Seeking Millionaire. High end dating: Always free for beautiful single girls."
Showing a silver haired chap in a suit with a smiley young blond.
[Nausea]
posted by:
kalsang
  • Re: seeking millionaire

    Sat, March 29, 2008 - 3:03 PM
    Wow what is next straight up hooker ads.

    To me that would be more honest.

    JSin
    • Re: seeking millionaire

      Sun, March 30, 2008 - 10:05 AM
      I caught a bit of that show "Millionaire Match Maker"... ew. I can't think of a less genuine way of trying to find a spouse. The guy: must be millionaire and follow the rules of displaying wealth and pampering woman. The gal: must be beautiful and cater to millionaire's ego; intelligence and personal ambition optional and maybe even frowned upon.

      Ew, ew, ew.

      When you get down to it, I have a hard time believing these men are being hoodwinked though. You know the women are specifically looking for millionaires and if you can't find a good woman on your own when you're not struggling, one has to wonder... As much as I understand that sometimes we all need a bit of fine tuning when it comes to putting ourselves out there, the whole premise of money as the defining factor smacks every aspect of what I deem love right in the tookus.
      • Re: seeking millionaire

        Sun, March 30, 2008 - 7:28 PM
        quel wrote:
        >"When you get down to it, I have a hard time believing these men are being hoodwinked though. "<

        I really don't think the men are being hoodwinked. The honesty part was ment for the women..

        Rather than titling it "Millionaire Matchmaker" perhaps it should be "High Priced Hookers R Us"

        JSin
        • Re: seeking millionaire

          Tue, April 8, 2008 - 4:50 PM
          This being the extreme honesty tribe, you'd think more people would applaud the fact that at least these people are being direct in what's important to them. It shallow, but hey some people are shallow, at least they admit it. I think people who go through those type sites to meet deserve one another. I would never date a man just for his money, but if he has lots it couldn't hurt. More vacations away would be nice..... :P

          It is strange however that the woman in these type situations is the "goldigging bitch," and the man is just...well, a man. Men are supposed to want to date hot chicks, right? I mean isn't that why they oogle over hot bims, and buy porn, and go to strip clubs etc. I guess it's normal for a man to want a hot chick to stare at, or make him feel admired, but the woman who wants monetary security and a grandiose lifestyle is somehow the villain.
          • Re: seeking millionaire

            Tue, April 8, 2008 - 5:17 PM
            I don't think we all see the women as gold digging bitches and the men as just men. I am actually far more disturbed by the older men who just want a piece of young flesh to purchase than I am by the young woman who hasn't yet discovered that she is worth more than her body. Sure they are both being honest to a degree but I suspect there is a bit of lying to oneself that goes on to get them to this point.
          • Re: seeking millionaire

            Tue, April 8, 2008 - 9:18 PM
            No Moral judgment meant nor should one be construed. Prostitution is a victim less crime and should be legal.

            It is more a case of calling a spade a garden tool as it were. What the women are selling is ass and what the men are paying for is the said same. The fact that it matters to both parties demonstrates it is a commodity.

            My observations were just that observations.

            JSin
            • Re: seeking millionaire

              Wed, April 9, 2008 - 8:56 AM
              I don't think prostitution is a victim less crime (there are exceptions) but I still think it should be legal. I prefer that morality not be legislated.
          • Re: seeking millionaire

            Tue, April 8, 2008 - 9:24 PM
            I don't think these women are bitches, I just find the situation rather sad: young women who are, as JSin says, basically prostituting themselves, and older rich men who want a woman based on youth and sexiness.
            The women are making a huge compromise, by selling themselves for money--most of us do, at jobs we are far from inspired by--but at least we can go home to some authenticity, and I am sad for them that they are selling the area of life that ought most to be linked with sincerity--namely love. What taught them to select a mate based on his money rather than his goodness, or intelligence, or warmth, or any other human quality?
            The men are also losing out. There's something weird about a man who wants a woman young enough to be his daughter.
            On both sides it's just this sad situation being dressed up to look attractive and even normal.
            • Re: seeking millionaire

              Wed, April 9, 2008 - 8:58 AM
              <<The women are making a huge compromise, by selling themselves for money--most of us do, at jobs we are far from inspired by--but at least we can go home to some authenticity, and I am sad for them that they are selling the area of life that ought most to be linked with sincerity--namely love. What taught them to select a mate based on his money rather than his goodness, or intelligence, or warmth, or any other human quality?
              The men are also losing out. There's something weird about a man who wants a woman young enough to be his daughter.>>



              Well said!
            • Re: seeking millionaire

              Wed, April 9, 2008 - 9:20 AM
              I personally respect the honesty that goes into that ad and the people involved.


              "I don't think these women are bitches, I just find the situation rather sad: young women who are, as JSin says, basically prostituting themselves, and older rich men who want a woman based on youth and sexiness."

              what's sad about it? humans put physical attraction on an importance level above all else. all else can make a difference in individual cases. Its just a bell curve distribution in real life.

              "The women are making a huge compromise, by selling themselves for money--most of us do, at jobs we are far from inspired by--but at least we can go home to some authenticity, and I am sad for them that they are selling the area of life that ought most to be linked with sincerity--namely love. What taught them to select a mate based on his money rather than his goodness, or intelligence, or warmth, or any other human quality?"

              genetics, being alive, valuing certain aspects of physical security of emotional security, historical lessons (what? you think romantic love is traditional?)

              "The men are also losing out."

              what exactly are they losing out on?

              "There's something weird about a man who wants a woman young enough to be his daughter."

              you mean it's wierd that a man want a woman in the physical prime of life? I can't see the wierdness myself.

              "On both sides it's just this sad situation being dressed up to look attractive and even normal. "

              it isn't average, because the vast majority of men don't have the resources to put the question so bluntly, but it is normal. as for attractiveness, that of course is the eye of the beholder and no, I don't find to far a age difference attractive, but then again, I also do find it unattractive, I rarely even think about it.

              taz
              • Re: seeking millionaire

                Wed, April 9, 2008 - 9:24 AM
                damn it must proof read better

                "physical security of emotional security"

                physical security over emotional security

                "I also do find it unattractive"

                I also don't find it unattractive


                taz
              • Re: seeking millionaire

                Wed, April 9, 2008 - 10:04 AM
                > (what? you think romantic love is traditional?)

                I didn't mention romantic love! I said 'select a mate' and 'choose'. Neither necessarily implies romantic love, which is only one way to select and choose!
                • Re: seeking millionaire

                  Wed, April 9, 2008 - 11:46 AM
                  I didn't mention romantic love! I said 'select a mate' and 'choose'. Neither necessarily implies romantic love, which is only one way to select and choose!

                  no you didn't mention romantic love for selecting a mate. two things, one it was a generalized ,you the reader, not really aimed at ,you kalsang, sorry.
                  however as a response to your response,
                  "...at least we can go home to some authenticity, and I am sad for them that they are selling the area of life that ought most to be linked with sincerity--namely love. What taught them to select a mate based on his money rather than his goodness, or intelligence, or warmth, or any other human quality"

                  I would have to say your right it's not implied, it's stated. you called it love and then descibed it.

                  taz
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                    Re: seeking millionaire

                    Wed, April 9, 2008 - 9:34 PM
                    Yes but Taz, I didn't mean 'romantic' love. Perhaps I should explain myself better, since I am obviously not being clear.

                    I think romantic love is one way to select someone to be with, but I have enough friends from other cultures to know that it's only one way. Many people have arranged or semi-arranged marriages, and love happens within them, though it is not the 'falling in love' romantic model we so idolise in the West. I have seen women of some other cultures consciously select a man to be with, without any romance whatsoever, by looking at his human qualities, his intelligence, and yes his ability and willingness to provide for a family. Again, in these marriages love can grow, but it's not romantic love.

                    So although I think love is the nicest way to be in a couple with someone, I don't think romantic love is necessarily the best way to get there!
                    • Re: seeking millionaire

                      Thu, April 10, 2008 - 1:08 PM

                      "I think romantic love is one way to select someone to be with, but I have enough friends from other cultures to know that it's only one way. Many people have arranged or semi-arranged marriages, and love happens within them, though it is not the 'falling in love' romantic model we so idolise in the West. I have seen women of some other cultures consciously select a man to be with, without any romance whatsoever, by looking at his human qualities, his intelligence, and yes his ability and willingness to provide for a family. Again, in these marriages love can grow, but it's not romantic love. "

                      given that response it makes is sound like this millonaire transaction can safely be added to the "other models for selecting marriages" one which to be honest gives a fantastic material return for the woman.

                      taz
                      • Re: seeking millionaire

                        Thu, April 10, 2008 - 5:02 PM
                        > given that response it makes is sound like this millonaire transaction can safely be added to the "other models for selecting marriages" one which to be honest gives a fantastic material return for the woman.

                        Ha ha, I see what you mean.
                        • Re: seeking millionaire

                          Thu, April 10, 2008 - 5:23 PM
                          Me saying a man is just a man, and that the women are gold digging bitches was from what I've noticed from general people I've talked to about these arrangements. I wasn't inferring that anyone here had implied that.
  • Re: seeking millionaire

    Mon, April 14, 2008 - 7:04 PM
    Y'all know l'll be weighing in on this one. Just not now; am currently injured and too tired to put out long ass posts right now.
    • Re: seeking millionaire

      Mon, April 14, 2008 - 7:22 PM
      Oh go on, put up a short-assed post....
      • Re: seeking millionaire

        Fri, April 25, 2008 - 3:32 PM
        "Oh go on, put up a short-assed post...."

        Honey, you know l don't do short posts. ;) Blokie, thanks for the well wishes, just sprained my trick knee again, but did it good, and was on painkillers and shit so l couldn't think straight.

        l follow every single dating show they put out there, regardless of how stupid it may be, mainly because l never, ever fail to learn something valuable that l can use myself. There's always an example or clip to be found that l could use to illustrate a point. Note: l'm not talking about shit like the Bachelor, l'm talking Blind Date, The Pickup Artist, *dating* shows. Not "l want to find my true love and screw over 11 people to get there" shows. Those are fucking stupid.

        Millionaire Matchmaker is the ONLY dating show l haven't cared to watch a whole lot of. She and l share some basic rules about what is and isn't acceptable, and l'll give her that credit.

        "I caught a bit of that show "Millionaire Match Maker"... ew. I can't think of a less genuine way of trying to find a spouse. The guy: must be millionaire and follow the rules of displaying wealth and pampering woman. The gal: must be beautiful and cater to millionaire's ego; intelligence and personal ambition optional and maybe even frowned upon."

        Millionaires are people too. Trite as that sounds, allow me to elaborate. Men are naturally driven to ambition; it's the biological need to provide for mates and offspring. ln this day and age, it's pretty common that if that isn't a man's driving factor, it's having money so a woman will want him, because he believes that's what women want. l think we all know money doesn't matter to a number of women out there as much as the world thinks it does, but unfortunately, there are more women out there who do consider wealth a priority, either because they are lazy and don't want to work, or simply because they are independent and making their own money themselves, and don't want to support their mate/spouse. The latter makes for a healthier woman, obviously, but unfortunately, what this show does is foster the insecurities of both the men and the women involved, and this is where l start having issues.

        l feel for a man who, for whatever reason, is constantly dealing with gold-diggers because he's wealthy. He may be wealthy for the simple reason that *he* just wanted to be secure, girlfriend or not. l don't think that's an unhealthy goal, and if he has the drive and ambition, more power to him! The problem is that every single female that comes on the show knows full well ahead of time that she'll be meeting very wealthy bachelors, and that is bound to screw up the dynamic. l always thought "Joe Millionaire" (the elimination show where the main guy pretends to be a millionaire, but makes something like 20 grand a year) was interesting. You find out when he picks his final girl that she is pissed about finding out he's not a millionaire. lt's not clear if she's pissed because he lied to her, or because he didn't have all that money, but either way, every single girl on there was there because she was under the impression he had money.

        Now, if Millionaire Matchmaker followed the opposite of that premise, and refrained from telling the women it brought in that he had money, the men would be more likely to find women of substance, and the women wouldn't have a motive right off the bat, and that's where l think a business like that would fail. lt's true that most of these men are looking for young and flashy; there's one episode where she meets a male client who's looking for an older, driven, nonmaterialistic woman, and the minute he meets all the women there, he goes for the young, buxom, and vapid chick. This is a flaw (among several) on the matchmaker's part; yes, he should have really been honest about what he was looking for, but you put a young buxom chick with an older, maybe a little less attractive one (no matter how sharp her mind is), and he's far more likely to go for the former. l don't mean that as an insult to the men here or anywhere else that really DO look for substance; it's just the flash, and it's hard to ignore. What the matchmaker should have done was found women in the age range he wanted (mid-late 30's) and given him NOTHING but that. Problem solved, pick the one that suits you best, and you're still getting precisely what you said you were looking for.

        All that said, while l may end up with some pretty wealthy clients at some point, l intend to downplay their wealth. lt's one thing if you say you have money and don't and then tell someone that after you've begun a relationship; that's dishonest and rude, and no matter her motives, it's flat out deception. lt's yet another to downplay your money without lying, and inform her only when you've established something of substance that you have more money than you let on. Any woman who is with you for your character and not your wallet is only likely to be pleasantly surprised to find out that you're better off than she thought, and is likely to understand why you didn't want to flaunt your wealth in the first place.

        l *will* say that one of the things l like about the matchmaker is that she'll straight out tell her female clients they look trashy if they do, and will try to instill a little class without just letting them slide. Likewise, she's pretty blunt with her male clients. She crosses the line between blunt and bitchy fairly often, and that's a problem l have with her (among the many), but at least she says it outright, and is often telling them exactly what they need to hear.

        "When you get down to it, I have a hard time believing these men are being hoodwinked though."

        Yeah, they're not.

        "You know the women are specifically looking for millionaires and if you can't find a good woman on your own when you're not struggling, one has to wonder..."

        Yeah, but there are plenty of men out there who have been so busy making money that they haven't spent any time working on how to find a good woman. Money or no, it's harder for men to get dates. Most women can get one without much trouble. Money isn't really the factor here, finally; they're still men who have no clue how to really relate to a woman. Regardless of how vapid she may be.
    • Re: seeking millionaire

      Tue, April 15, 2008 - 8:45 AM
      ooooooh, I haven't read a good long ali response in a while. I can't wait.....

      seriously, tingles up the fingers and everything

      taz
      • Re: seeking millionaire

        Fri, April 25, 2008 - 3:36 PM
        ooooooh, I haven't read a good long ali response in a while. I can't wait.....
        ~~~~~~~~

        LOL!!!!

        That's cuz Ali's been busy and injured and dealing with various medical issues and oh, life. But l'm very flattered, and hey, it's nice to see YOU posting over here regularly!!! {{{{{Taz}}}}}
  • Re: seeking millionaire

    Sun, April 27, 2008 - 2:28 AM
    Has anyone seen that movie Shopgirl, written by and starring Steve Martin? I watched it last night. It reminded me of this thread. Without giving the plot away a much older, barely rootable guy (Steve Martin) hooks up with a beautiful woman half his age cause he is a millionaire. She is a saleswoman at Saks 5th Avenue. For me the subtext (overt-text?) overall is that these women‘s lives are pointless and meaningless and only enriched by a wealthy man. The smart attractive ones know this and flog themselves along with their perfume and other merchandise to wealthy male buyers. I was sold myself by the end of the movie, actually believing that thew best outcome for a Saks salesgirl was sex with a rich man- and the nice clothes and paying off your college loan that came with it. Is this the modern fairytale?
    • Re: seeking millionaire

      Sun, April 27, 2008 - 9:50 AM
      why is it always the women who get stuck with stuff like
      "pointless and meaningless"?
      • Re: seeking millionaire

        Sun, April 27, 2008 - 8:13 PM
        Good question Wild. I mean, just making money is pretty pointless and meaningless too, and then the guy wants sex with a trophy wife to give HIS miserable life meaning.

        On the other hand, all of us are searching for meaning....
  • Re: seeking millionaire

    Sun, April 27, 2008 - 8:14 PM
    OH OH OH OH, I just realised the bit about that ad that MOST pissed me off. It was the 'high end dating', as if non-wealthy men and women who aren't drop dead gorgeous are 'low end'. Which insults most of us!
    • Re: seeking millionaire

      Thu, May 1, 2008 - 11:14 AM
      All this talk about reality dating shows reminded me of a guilty, horrible, pleasure I used to watch with my ex. Does anyone remember the show 'The Swan'? I used to love it, even though it perpetuated the longing in women to aspire to a generic beauty formula. It also perpetuated the thinking in men that women should try to live up to those standards, (IMO.) I used to always wonder if the women went back to their partners and maintained their normal routines, or if it caused an imbalance.

      Most of these women weren't with wealthy men to begin with, if they were they probably wouldn't be going on national television revealing how ugly they feel so they could glean free plastic surgeries. Anyhoo, the partners of these contestants sometimes expressed jealousy, and insecurity over their loved one so drastically changing their appearance. I'm assuming it's because they think that their partner will now be out of their league. I wish there could be a follow up show about these women, and how their lives have changed. Did they start to date other "beautiful" people, or rich men? Did they maintain their ordinary lives?

      I have seen how some women make a change, maybe just breast augmentation, and their heads swell even bigger than their chests. Yet some, me included, remain the same personality wise. One of my girlfriends, a long time ago, got her breasts done, and went hog wild dating guys she never thought she could get before, including several wealthy types. It seemed as if she felt she deserved more, now that she felt she looked better.

      Like, attracts like, so they say.
      • Re: seeking millionaire

        Thu, May 1, 2008 - 12:41 PM
        Tink >> It seemed as if she felt she deserved more, now that she felt she looked better. <<

        Perhaps it was not that she felt that she deserved more, but rather she might have felt she could get more. Being able to get more is not the same as deserving it.
  • Re: seeking millionaire

    Thu, May 1, 2008 - 2:17 PM
    yep. I have that millionaire ad in my list of "best/worst tribe dating ads". I grab a copy whenever I see a new one. there just so... mind boggling. ;) like there is REALLY a "sugardaddy.com"???

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