Feeding the homeless

topic posted Wed, October 29, 2008 - 1:45 PM by 
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So the other evening a friend was with my son and I as we were going to pick up food from a local Mexican place. A homeless person asked us for money as we were about to enter and I told him I didn't have any but I'd buy him some food. I've been doing this for years. Not as a consistent thing, mind you, but now and then when I can afford it and a homeless person (or runaway kid) looks hungry and asks me for money I'll offer to get them food because I make it a policy to never ever give out money.
Anyway this guy looked pretty skinny and he said he did want food so I got him a plate of rice and beans and tortillas. He was cool and said, "thanks" and waved at my son and my son smiled at him.
When we got to the car my friend told me she didn't think it was a good idea to talk to the homeless and that I was teaching my son that strangers were OK by doing what I did. I was more than a bit irritated by her comments. One, I don't hang out talking to the homeless. If someone looks like they might be mentally ill then I of course stay clear but if someone is just down and out why shouldn't I be kind? And two, why should I teach my son that he should just ignore people who are in need?
Her opinion was now that I am a mother I shouldn't be doing things like that anymore. Her words were something to the tune of "It is alright to be all liberal and save the world risky when you are young and single but you've got a child now and you have to think about more than yourself."
The old me would have probably torn into her but ironically since I have a child now I am pretty careful about arguing in front of him and exposing him to negativity so I changed the subject. I was really kind of shocked at how much she made out of that. What risk did she think we actually took by feeding some poor old guy who was hungry? And now that I have a child shouldn't I care even more about saving the world? And the whole idea that he should be fearing strangers is silly. Yes, I will teach him how to protect himself from predatory people and teach him not to talk to strangers when his mom or dad aren't near but you can help him to be safe without teaching that all strangers are bad. Also the idea that a homeless person is somehow a more dangerous stranger to your child than a non-homeless one is just a wrong headed myth. The vast majority of child predators are as normal looking as anyone else. We talked to several other "normal" looking strangers that day and she didn't think that was any problem.

Anyway, I'm interested in hearing what some others think about this sort of thing.
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  • Re: Feeding the homeless

    Wed, October 29, 2008 - 2:09 PM
    I think you were setting the best possible example for your son: to be compassionate to those in need.

    Indeed, if your son doesn't learn the difference between "anyone you don't know" and "someone who is dangerous", he will be quite socially crippled. Your friend reminds me of those people who think they should put antibacterial soap on everything - if you don't build up a resistance to the germs, you'll surely get sick.
  • Re: Feeding the homeless

    Wed, October 29, 2008 - 2:13 PM
    Well, right off the bat i'll say i agree with the position you took...


    I was in a bad part of Vancouver with some friends, on a trip when I was 15.
    The skeeziest, scariest looking skinny old bum came hobbling up to us at
    the bus stop and asked for some change. My friends skittered away and looked
    disgusted and I asked him what for. He said food. We'd just hit the deli and I had
    a fresh sandwich in my bag, so I pulled it out and gave it to him.

    My friends gave me shit for it, saying things like 'he could be on drugs' and 'what if
    he pulled a knife' and stuff... and while those things ARE possible, he straight-up
    asked for food and took it when it was given, didn't ask for any more money, and just
    thanked me and sat down and *inhaled* the sandwich.

    The bus came a minute later and I found I didn't have enough change on me to buy
    a pass - my girlfriends and i went through our pockets and I said aloud that I was still
    $1 short....
    The 'scary drugged-out knife-wielding' bum hobbled over and gave me a buck. I tried
    not to take it but he insisted, and I didn't see the need in hurting his pride any further
    by pointing out that he obviously needed it more than me... and i'd been taught never
    to refuse a gift. So despite my qualms about it I thanked him, took it, and we left.


    There are child predators, rapists, drug addicts, drug dealers, prostitutes, and mentally
    ill (both diagnosed and otherwise) people "living" as best they can on the streets... but
    there are some genuinely unfortunate but good people as well - just as there are some
    dangerous, frightening, and unstable people living in $500k condos.
    All you can really do is trust your instincts and try and determine when to give the benefit
    of the doubt.... and what better lesson to teach your child than THAT?
    • Re: Feeding the homeless

      Wed, October 29, 2008 - 5:46 PM
      Yoonie, I would've done the exact same thing. I don't think you can start teaching children to be compassionate too early in life.
      I have bought people food and give them smokes if I have them. I give my money to some of the local food shelters in town that need it. Just treating them as human beings is enough for some of them.

      Your friend is wrong.

      But for the grace of God go I, is something I always try to remember.
    • Re: Feeding the homeless

      Wed, October 29, 2008 - 7:44 PM
      good story, nicole. i found myself thinking as i read it, "some of the most unwieldy people i can think of are running my country and the corporations that run my country." i've been paying for much more than just a sandwich for those asshats.

      yooni, you definitely did the right thing. your friend sounds like she's living in fear and with some silly ideas of getting older = automatically getting more conservative.
    • Re: Feeding the homeless

      Thu, October 30, 2008 - 8:12 AM
      Great story Nicole.

      It seems to me that you're teaching a kid a lie and putting them at risk if they believe child molesters, drug addicts and "bad people" are homeless people. Child molesters are more likely to be found somewhere "safe" (scouts, a friend's dad, coach, a cousin, etc) than on the streets. Homeless people are more likely, if they're older, to have a mental illness (with the drugs being a coping mechanism) or kids running away from an abusive home life - so more likely to be victims than abusers (drug addicts abuse and victimize themselves). This doesn't mean that homeless people can't be dangerous, of course. It just means that teaching your kids that dangerous people look like homeless people is a lie, dangerous people often look very normal (and sometimes even more attractive than normal, that's part of their danger, their ability to lure us or kids in!).

      Yuni - Personally I think your friend is doing her kid a disservice (if she has a kid) by trying to pretend the world is simple and black and white and that good people are pretty and bad people are ugly. Reverting to a Disneyland vision of the world because one has kids and is scared - becoming a child oneself - doesn't make the world suddenly more appropriate for kids or into a fantasy land! Or teach them the skills to survive as an adult or be safe in the world as a kid.
  • Re: Feeding the homeless

    Wed, October 29, 2008 - 10:04 PM
    First off, stranger danger is largely a fallacy. It's rare that a child suffers at the hands of someone they do not know.

    Secondly, my son was brought up to treat the homeless with compassion and dignity. We often give leftovers to someone we see in need when we have it. My ex used to vend on the Venice Boardwalk and my son would go with him. He knew many of the homeless by name and was chummy with them. Nothing bad ever happened to him and he would see them sometimes without direct supervision and without incident. When we lived in Atlanta, a coffee shop I ran had a resident homeless guy named Jim that camped out in front every night. I spoke to him with dignity and so did my son, and I can't tell you how much it meat to Jim that a child wasn't afraid to say 'Hello."

    You did the right thing and have nothing to fear. Not enough people realize that in general, the homeless are not dangerous people, they are just in a bad situation whether they caused it or not. Fear and loathing caused a poor homeless man to be set on fire last month by some idiots downtown. Shameful.
    • Re: Feeding the homeless

      Wed, October 29, 2008 - 10:31 PM
      older = conservative...

      yup, thats where her comment came from. see dennis-miller for a prime-example...

      to be fair, i agree that _in your situation/moment_ you did the correct and best thing possible. otoh, youve admitted that youll need to teach-him-to-be-careful (i forget your exact wording), too. ive got to give you kudos for an astonishing display of compassion.

      i grew up in a mexican-border-town, and my dad was conservative/old - so _I_ was never (hmm, rarely?) shown examples of this type of compassion. now my memory is not as clear or descriptive as yalls, so i can only say the following _in general_, rather than with a specific-story to elucidate it:

      i think he "trained" me not to deal with people like this in general because of HIS experiences. he had (via war/army life) lived in various cultures where homelessness was NOT as "safe" to deal with as it is in the greater-usa. in some countries, just by giving out a handout in kindness - you actually could risk a desperation-type riot...

      now, having expressed my FUD/scary-conservative-view, i think you honestly did the best that was reasonable under your circumstances. if this person tries to "coach you" about your child-rearing skills _in front of_ your child again, i would say that you have ample-reason to chastise her _in front of_ your child... and the chastisement would need to address the real-issue (child-rearing-advice), rather than the surface-issue (feeding-a-homeless-person once). and then, adter she is gone, re-address the surface-issue with your child to make sure that he/she is not confused...

      depending upon the age of your child, id say you couldve asked-for his/her participation in the event... namely, tell him/her that you are considering buying this homeless person some food - and ask the child what he/she would like to do... and, depending upon his/her answer - work from there... (i apologize, but i cannot remember the gender of your child and am trying not to be sideways-insulting). i vaguely recall an incident/example like this from my own childhood - and some discussion about my wanting a toy with any extra money... lol.

      gl, h.
    • Re: Feeding the homeless

      Thu, October 30, 2008 - 10:01 AM
      Yeah, the stranger danger part really annoyed me. Haven't we all figured by now that most of the bad shit that happens to kids happens to them through people who know them?
      Also the fact that she was with us for several hours as we ran errands and all kinds of people talked to him (my son) and waved at him and she never batted an eye. He is a really friendly kid and I watch him like a hawk but I don't stop him from being friendly. I just don't get how she has it in her head that out of all the people who talked to him (she thought it was cute when we were in the market) that somehow the homeless guy was the "stranger" I should be teaching him to fear.
      • Re: Feeding the homeless

        Thu, October 30, 2008 - 11:00 AM
        Eh, sounds like your friend is just scared of homeless people herself and freaked that someone she knows interacted with them. Is she afraid of mental illness? Or have fears of being homeless herself? You should explain stranger danger to her since she seems to be operating like a child herself!
        • Re: Feeding the homeless

          Thu, October 30, 2008 - 1:08 PM
          yep, your friend's wrong -- sometimes people just get so scared of everything as they get older. I honestly think it's a chemical process in the brain, don't make enough of the stuff that makes you brave any more. I'm glad you're giving this kid this example. We do have to use our intuition. Plus, of course, the homeless guy wasn't approaching your kid. He was approaching the adult--you. The boy's just an avid observer of all this. Does anybody ever tell kids today, who won't speak to anyone under any circumstances, when exactly they're supposed to be able to stop this? I don't think they do. I see that parents issue a flat edict (no talking to anyone under any circumstances) because it's too complicated for the child to store all kinds of possible exceptions to this rule. Still, it'd be good to explain to kids at the same time that as they get older they will be expected to start observing people around them and using their intuition about them, all the time, and that it's actually rare for the people around them to have malicious intent toward them.
  • Re: Feeding the homeless

    Thu, October 30, 2008 - 7:40 PM
    <Her opinion was now that I am a mother I shouldn't be doing things like that anymore>

    Crap.

    It was a nice thing you did and a good example (in my eyes).

    You can still do what you did and protect your son by explaining to him that caution is necessary - but not the same and ignoring or avoiding.
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    Re: Feeding the homeless

    Fri, October 31, 2008 - 6:15 AM
    You did the right thing. I would have and have done it that way several times. I want to know I'm really nourishing their bodies not the habits.

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