RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

topic posted Thu, August 21, 2008 - 10:23 AM by  Sam=Sam
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Where is the champagne, AND chocolate? . . .

Judgement, hostility, combined with mostly negativity comments, is what the writer seemed to observe, as the combination found on the 6 blogs sent out by the writer on EXTREME HONESTY . . . Few of the 22 responding contributors have interacted with the subject initially written about . . . (Some did very well) . . .
Most responding contributors have preferred to use the site to denigrate the experiences of the writer and others . . . sort OF, out of touch with the words shared . . . not that it matters . . . it’s only 22 people after all.

Yoon = 23 replies
Elaine = 22 replies
Fifi = 22 replies
The writer = 20 replies
Josh = 13 replies
dave, J Sin, Mammoth = 10 replies each
Quelle = 9 replies
Wild = 8 replies
Misha, Ha li,l. = 7 replies each
Nicole = 6 replies
Quan, Ann, Rich, Free, = 4 replies each
Jin, Ali = 3 replies each
Harold, B.E.B., = 2 replies each
Wand, Saddha, Paidia = 1 reply each

Interesting hey!
. . . But, it makes no difference what the result of the blog contributions are, . . . to think otherwise is TRYING2 put a fence thru the ocean, . . . which ultimately is impossible . . .

The ‘Guru Trip’ is sometimes the high-jacking of the INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS of the individuality, instead of the empowerment of it
. . . the empowerment, the writer agrees with,
. . . YET, the writer, seems to hav been the brunt of anger from many sources on this tribe . . . one of which is because of the ‘Guru Trip’ some felt erroneously dumped upon by what was written . . .

Also in the words of this tribe description is a few words about compassionate something or other
. . . that was seeeeeemingly lacking along the way
. . . treatment in this tribe is a bit like being ripped apart by a pack of dingoes (wolves in the US).

It "IS AS IT IS" hey
. . . AND, do whatever you want with the information
. . . it came free to the writer and it is given back freely.

Great stuff . . .
THANK YOU. . . . .
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  • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

    Thu, August 21, 2008 - 12:59 PM
    Oh I get it... This is the thread where you throw yourself into Martyrdom.

    Interesting how these patters repeat themselves one savior after another
    JSin
    • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

      Thu, August 21, 2008 - 2:42 PM
      "Interesting how these patters repeat themselves one savior after another "
      What are you saying ?
      • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

        Thu, August 21, 2008 - 3:06 PM
        Hey Sam, here's comment 23.


        Bite me.


        Sincerely, Elaine
        • Comment 23 Elaine = COMMENT 21 Sam

          Thu, August 21, 2008 - 5:22 PM
          Does anyone intentionally set themselves up 4 being bitten ! ! ?
          OR is that a sexual fantasy we all secretly, and not so secretly carry?

          As my dear departed Mum would say "If the cap fits wear it . . ."

          This writer has no need to bite anyone
          . . . just stating WHAT IS . . . how it is . . .
          . . . HOW THIS TRIBE (presently seems to) OPERATE
          . . . no more . . no less . . .

          The original question is my enquiry, is about me falling thru the Mind and out the other side?
          The question still hangs . . .

          The result of the tribe feedback came along because IT IS THERE.
          The writer (yesterday) was curious as to HOW MANY people responded to the blogs .
          The feedback came from that.

          Noone needs my help to get bitten . . . as you seem to do a good job on yourselves with no help at all from anyone.

          The Dark Side DOES INDEED COME OUT WHEN WE DON’T LOOK EACH OTHER IN THE EYES . . .

          The writer has no intention of martyrdom OR malice here. The curiosity about what other people think and feel about the subject originally written, triggered the writer’s other blogs, that came from not knowing where you were (mostly All) coming from . . . that seems to be unfolding as we keep writing.

          Being lacerated by a frenzied pack is not what was expected by the writer . . . even though others in tribe warned me, (before I posted the original blog), that being TOO OPEN in tribe can bring on what has happened here . . . so the writer is fully guilty of naivety 100% . . .

          Hav a great day . . .
          Seem the writer may hav allowed himself to be inadvertently BITTEN.

          Sincerely, Sam
          • Re: Comment 23 Elaine = COMMENT 21 Sam

            Thu, August 21, 2008 - 5:25 PM
            So at this point, you should have a tantrum about how noone understands you and then go start another tribe about how we all suck.

            It's in your handbook



            Comment 24. YAY I WIN TEH INTERNETS!11eleventy
            • = COMMENT 22 Sam

              Thu, August 21, 2008 - 6:13 PM
              That tribe already exists.
              Maybe start EXTREME HONESTY AWARDS hosted by Rich . . .
              Ha HA HA . . . . .

              The writer has a web-site to write, so less time will be taken up here . . .

              The writer highly appreciates yr feedback
              . . . even though what it was/is some may take offence to . . . so it is hey?
              . . . you hav let me know what is needed to know to live in this World of people (some of which seem to be hostile to what i wrote about, probably with good reason from the experience that has become some of your lives)

              The writer still lives in an Awareness the writer did not ask for, so finding a comfortable place in that place in the World is part of the enquiry . . . this tribe may be Extreme Honesty . . . TRULY THAT . . .

              Where is the ficticious hand-book, apart from deep within the Self we carry with us in every moment of NOW . . .

              Big Love to you all . . . Sam
              • Re: = COMMENT 22 Sam

                Thu, August 21, 2008 - 10:44 PM
                Sam wrote:
                >"The writer still lives in an Awareness the writer did not ask for, so finding a comfortable place in that place in the World is part of the enquiry ."<

                Ya know sam they really do have meds for that now... The symptoms sound suspiciously like Schizophrenia.

                JSin
                • Re: = COMMENT 22 Sam

                  Thu, August 21, 2008 - 10:47 PM
                  :-) ha ha, our diagnoses (yours so much more diplomatic) were posted simultaneously. yours Axis 2, mine Axis 7.
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                    Re: = COMMENT 22 Sam

                    Thu, August 21, 2008 - 11:57 PM
                    kalsang wrote:
                    >":-) ha ha, our diagnoses (yours so much more diplomatic) were posted simultaneously."<

                    Damn I must be off a bit if I am being described as diplomatic.

                    JSIn
      • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

        Thu, August 21, 2008 - 8:59 PM
        oh seems I missed an n on Patterns... I was referring to the whole evangelical messiah syndrome that infects a given poster every so often. I generally starts with a post telling us how to fix our lives. Moves to an argument about how we have no clue if we don't agree and then degrades into the poor me look at what a martyr I am.

        Someone should hand Sam a hammer... Those nails go through much easier if pounded.

        JSin
        • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

          Thu, August 21, 2008 - 9:30 PM
          So it's a stereotype ? Although I'm not sure Sam is an evangelical messiah he does speak from the third person which may seem to be self reflective and exterior at the same time. This is however extreme honesty and I expect people to throw it out there flaws and all.
          • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

            Thu, August 21, 2008 - 10:42 PM
            Nope not a stereotype but rather an observation of a set of behavior I have observed over the last decade or so of posting in various internet forums..

            I would more accurately describe it as a syndrome.

            JSin
            • = 23 Sam u al

              Fri, August 22, 2008 - 12:18 AM

              The question, (about Enlightenment and such), asked by the writer are not answerable with any sort of Mind logic, due to the answers not being of a logical Mind nature, but of an Awareness of FEELING beyond Mind concept, which is what some vomited over when the impossible was attempted, [in trying to describe in words the feeling of the experience when the writer was in IT].

              The ANSWERS COME . . . from,
              . . . falling INTO/BECOMING THE Stillness that happens, when the Mind is Allowed to not be present in the awareness of the Stillness
              . . . [No-Mind the Zen Buddhists call it . . may apply here . . .]
              . . . This also is near impossible to describe, as the writer, in HIS own experience, IS Allowed to slip into that place where ego runs out of steam
              . . . Where ego cannot go
              . . . Where all thoughts settle
              . . . Effortlessly, easily,
              . . . Like being the stillness of the pond, and Mind not present IN that

              . . . AND when drifting thru that, the faculty of MIND (EGO) can be picked up once more . . . (IF that is a necessity)

              . . . AND in that picking up, the intellect of ME can THEN, write TRUTH that, there is no right , no wrong, no this, no that,
              . . . Any better or worse than any other place THAT ones' Awareness FINDS ITSELF

              . . . Some of you seeeeeem threatened by what is written here
              . . . WHY SO? There is no reason for it in actual Truth
              . . . We are all equel, in this experience, it happens everytime you may hav an orgasm, or drift in and out of Stillnes when at work and you may drift beyond yourself . . . everybody does it

              . . . And, every word, thought, the writer describes about this is utter bullshit
              . . . It’s a STORY, concocted by the MIND, to (TOTALLY, UTTERLY, IMPOSSIBLY) TRY, (anyway it can; to justify its existence ! ?), to explain the un-explainable to ITSELF/ME/THE WRITER, and, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE to do so . . .
              . . . That’s why Jesus spoke in parables, and many masters speak thru arch-types, and story

              . . . It’s an experience of ego of trying to find, some sort of place, where the ME, the writer, can feel safe hanging on to an ego, that in actual fact, has run out of it’s usefulness in the form it was a year ago . . . (or at all anymore . . . but that’s another 100 pages . . and YES is the only thing LEFT, that can be said about this Life. . .)

              SO> yes, it is a form of insanity/madness/written for thousands of years by many;
              . . . BUT, one which is a fundamental aspect of Evolution of the human species upon this earth
              . . . One of which I have little control over apart from ALLOWING it to happen
              . . . A bit like a freefall in sky-diving, and just amazzzzINggggggly SO

              And ITS FRIDAY 4.44pm, hav2wrapITupNgo to the movies and dinner with my darling friend . . . and it’s starting to hail . . . avoir

              And the Earth,
              . . . is STILL GOING to flick us off this planet like a dog scratching a flea
              . . . because of our plain blind STUPIDITY . . . AS IT IS . . .hey!
              AND<NO<the ego of me didn’t hit his finger with a hammer today . .
              enjoy yr weekend

            • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

              Fri, August 22, 2008 - 8:08 AM
              Well I might guess that the internet is coping mechanism light placeand that people feel less of a need to hold back I see that there is probably a fightin' time and then a calm time.I'd say Sam and other people might see this place as a team and that Sam seems to be acting on principle and it gives him somethin' to do that. So as that maybe Sam is more of a fighter than a martyr.
              What do you think Sam ?
              JSin would you say that extreme honesty is kind of a tight knit family and they end up stabbing themselves in the back because the very thing they value, a closeness ends upgiven people a reason to fight on principle ? They feel like they are bucking the system.
              • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                Fri, August 22, 2008 - 9:21 AM
                playuh wrote:
                >"JSin would you say that extreme honesty is kind of a tight knit family and they end up stabbing themselves in the back because the very thing they value, a closeness ends upgiven people a reason to fight on principle ? They feel like they are bucking the system."<

                I would definitely not consider it a close knit family. It is more like some cocktail party. There are a number of values that seem to garner respect on the internet in general, not just here but in other forums. The most significant being rational discourse.

                If one is incapable of putting forth their ideas in a rational manner and argue their position they are likely to be granted little respect.

                Any number of the folks who have posted on this and Sam's other threads have found themselves in opposition to each other on various topics. It is a discussion group after all not a sounding board to be "told" what we should think.

                Sam on numerous threads was not only given the invitation to discuss his ideas but was also given hints on how to do so effectively.

                You think he is a fighter, I don't see that because if he is then he has foolishly brought a knife to a gunfight. If what I have read is accurate to the functionality of his brain he is incapable of that level; of discourse. That is likely to continue to degrade not improve. It has moved to the poor me they don't understand me point of the syndrome, soon we will start seeing the "they support me in email"

                JSin
                • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                  Fri, August 22, 2008 - 9:38 AM
                  JSin - "It has moved to the poor me they don't understand me point of the syndrome, soon we will start seeing the"they support me in email"

                  Exactly. Followed up by insulting all and sundry, using an alt to "discuss" whatever the agenda is, claiming everyone in the tribe is collectively conspiring against them to make them feel excluded (when we've all made up our own minds about someone but they're so obviously nuts/a troll/or whatever they are that it's inevitable that most people most places would notice and come to the same conclusion), and then eventually culminating Rich directly so that they can claim they're being oppressed for speaking The TruthTM (though I see there's already been a flicker of that flame so we'll see if it erupts into a raging inferno of martyrdom where the crazy person in question likens themselves to a saint/witch being burnt at the stake...which I always find ironic coming from an evangelist of any kind!). Sometimes, they huffily storm off to one of the anti-EH tribes...but most who weren't actually banned and who stormed off in a fit of pique because they couldn't make everyone here behave according to their agenda eventually end up back here since the anti-EH tribes are lame and they were essentially here acting out the conflict between their need for approval and desire to be perceived as special and superior.
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                    Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                    Fri, August 22, 2008 - 9:45 AM
                    That should have read "and then eventually culminating in insulting Rich directly so that they can claim they're being oppressed for speaking The TruthTM". I see that Rich has made a swift counter play and we're moving directly to this stage and are now in the end run.
                • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                  Fri, August 22, 2008 - 9:52 AM
                  Thank you JSin I don't know much about this place. So I'm not sure if y'all will take me as rational. Ah well you gotta just play the hand you were dealt.
                  "foolishly brought a knife to a gunfight."
                  Which seems like it makes perfect sense for the fighter taking a last stand. It's a win/win situation if in any small way you win then it's all good.Even if you've gotten whooped then you took on goliath and then you still acted with bravery.

                  "If one is incapable of putting forth their ideas in a rational manner "
                  I'd say there are emotional ideas too, and some may not speak that language of what rational is. Now what I'm tryin' to put out there is Sam don't have to earn my respect.But I feel I do have to build trust. I can reconcile who he is in my head and that's fine with me.
                  So with the incapable thing I'm sayin' y'all have decided Sam is different than what yer group sees as valuable and so aint worthy of being treated proper ?
                  "That is likely to continue to degrade not improve."
                  Who can say what the future holds ? If I think A persons got to be a certain thing or a certain things got to happen it just ends up pissing me off if it don't come true.
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                    Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                    Fri, August 22, 2008 - 10:10 AM
                    You think it is an act of bravery to bring a knife to a gun battle? Huh, I guess one man's idea of bravery is another's idea of stupidity. Seems to me it would be far braver to bring no weapon and make a rational appeal for peaceful discourse.
                • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                  Fri, August 22, 2008 - 10:05 AM
                  >>I would definitely not consider it a close knit family. It is more like some cocktail party. There are a number of values that seem to garner respect on the internet in general, not just here but in other forums. The most significant being rational discourse.<<

                  Right on. The cocktail party is a great model of how I see tribe in general and how I attempt to deal with modding this tribe in particular.

                  Just like a cocktail party that I would be hosting, I reserve the right to ask to leave or remove anyone who seems to be annoying to other guests, or disruptive in general. Mostly I try to deal with these folks and hope they tire of trying to command attention in here, but I have my limits of patience just like everyone else.
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                    Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                    Fri, August 22, 2008 - 10:43 AM
                    Howdy Rich. I was wonderin' whether you'd jump in or not. First let me say that I am learning more and more about this place with how y'all describe what yer boundaries are. And I'd say you do have the right to ask people to leave, and I have to accept that might be me as well.
                    It's the confrontation and the opposition that makes the fighers keep comin' back. Rich am I out of bounds here? Cause I aint tellin you what to do. Don't get me wrong please. As I see it though when you reward the fighters with a battle it sort of continues the cycle y'all hate. Acceptence and grattitude will disarm the warriors. Hell it's okay if Sam does his what y'all called Guru thing. And I aint gonna take offense, for myself I feel better saying - I aint into what you say, mostly cause I don't feel I trust you.-
                    That says about you and is not in opposition to him.
                    "trying to command attention "
                    and that's another need I think you revealed Rich, which makes it a win/win/win situation.
                    • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                      Fri, August 22, 2008 - 10:58 AM
                      So, who's alt are you, Playuh?

                      And Rich does know what he is doing here. He would and has chastise any of of us regular posters as any newcomer crazy person for posting like a dumbass on here. H e has no problem with letting any of us know when we are out of bounds and being a pain in the internet ass.

                      He is a good cocktail party host, excepting that we ran out of ice AGAIN and some of us are trying to get into the locked liquor cabinet to finish off the expensive whiskey we see in there. Whiskey!



                      • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                        Fri, August 22, 2008 - 11:00 AM
                        Hell Elaine, my house always has a bottle of at least 18 year old good quality whiskey. I'll pour you one if you like.
                        • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                          Fri, August 22, 2008 - 11:06 AM
                          Awesome! Screw this party, I am going to party with Yooni... Eighteen year olds and good quality whiskey? Sweet!






                          ....oh wait. I read that wrong.

                          Huh.
                          • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                            Fri, August 22, 2008 - 11:09 AM
                            Of course you did! I would never waste good quality whiskey on 18 year olds. That is what Boone's Farm Wine is for.
                            • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                              Fri, August 22, 2008 - 3:21 PM
                              Sheeee-it I'm ready to get up on the table and dance ! I got no problem with gettin' loose as a goose ! Expensive whiskey ? I'll settle for some white lightnin'.
                              • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                                Fri, August 22, 2008 - 3:25 PM
                                Coal Ila or Dalwhinne?
                                • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                                  Fri, August 22, 2008 - 8:58 PM
                                  "Coal Ila or Dalwhinne?"

                                  I had to look'em both up. but what in your opinion makes these liquors so desirable ?
                                  • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                                    Fri, August 22, 2008 - 9:00 PM
                                    Well, they are what is in my liquor cabinet. And also they good, aged, single malt whiskey.
                                    • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                                      Fri, August 22, 2008 - 9:13 PM
                                      Scotch has so far been hard for me. It's more like wine where gettin' to know the many tastes of it is the real value. Boltin' it down is kinda lame. I feel I am moving towards that kinda drinkin' though.
                                      Do other people think that premium liquor gives less of a hangover ?
                                      • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                                        Fri, August 22, 2008 - 9:37 PM
                                        My significant other is Scottish. I never drank Scotch before him but now I am learning how to appreciate it. The good stuff makes a big difference and it should never ever be bolted down.

                                        And hangovers happen no matter what kind of alcohol you drink.
                                        • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                                          Fri, August 22, 2008 - 9:49 PM
                                          Shit that's some insight ful shit Y-girl. I think it is a process of understanding. I really can't afford the good shit but I get more interested init the more I taste it. And yeah I swirl that stuff round and try to get inside every little communication it sends to me. my response is sort of the reward to that.
                                          Other alcohols respond to me by gettin my ass three sheets to the wind.
                                          I'm really more interested in the process of drinkin'. Than gettin' fucked up.
                                          And I do think good whisky allows you to maintain instead of losin' your shit.
                                      • The last entry of Sam to this BLOG

                                        Sat, August 23, 2008 - 12:18 AM
                                        For the writer,
                                        . . . the Internet is a vehicle for exploration, not a vehicle for coping.
                                        . . . There is no judgement in anything written. Just observing what IS.
                                        . . . Have NO need4 ALTS. [One needs alts ONLY IF an agenda is pushed]
                                        . . . Is sharing a personal experience that has limited understanding to those shared to.
                                        . . . Wonders what happened to freee speeeech on the Internet
                                        oooooppPPpsS . . .DA WHISKI just gooottt2 me . . he he soooory . . .

                                        JSin
                                        “If one is incapable of putting forth their ideas in a rational manner and argue their position they are likely to be granted little respect.” Jsin wrote
                                        ***
                                        . . . like trying to put a square peg in a round hole, the subject matter cannot be rationalised. The confusion came from trying to do that. My apologies.
                                        . . . sometimes it is necessary to step beyond the (so-called) rational to access other aspects of thinking avail to everyone of us.
                                        How do write about a FEELING, (as it is happening), AND be in rational Mind at the same time? In Cognitive Science research, both left and right brain are found to be used simultaneously, whereas Jsin, yr trying to understand from left-brain use only, is like walking with one high heel on.
                                        ***
                                        “ . . . respect . . . “ come from within, relative to self, that when present in self is avail2 be given to others FREELY . . . is what the writer has left as a legacy with his 5 children . . . the youngest being 18. Respect was not something the writer was looking for.

                                        JSin
                                        “ . . . foolishly brought a knife to a gunfight. “ Jsin wrote

                                        What fight is that . . ?
                                        Maybe the writer is stupid enough to feel that a discussion was available somewhere along this thread that includes openness. Now we have guns???????????what????????????.

                                        JSin
                                        “If what I have read is accurate to the functionality of his brain he is incapable of that level; of discourse. That is likely to continue to degrade not improve. It has moved to the poor me they don't understand me point of the syndrome, soon we will start seeing the "they support me in email" “ Jsin wrote
                                        ***
                                        GEE Wizz, Where were you, when you wrote that ?
                                        People take writing of that ilk to the Aussie Outback and bury it under a rock and pat it to sleep.
                                        If you don’t understand writing left by the writer, then the problem is not mine, my friend.
                                        AND, Sorry . . . the “poor me” left the building the Summer of 1968 and never made much of an appearance since...
                                        . . . When you find the time to be in a frame of Mind to actually communicate information instead of tossing vitriol, then!
                                        . . . my interest includes the Syndrome you speak of.
                                        [My partner is a practicing Psychologist, so access to the category you speak of is only a flick of the hand away from this computer.]

                                        Do yourself a favour and access it for your ears . . . The writer sends pleasure, as a gift for your Writing times . . . beautiful grand piano in it as well . . . Rich would love it . . .
                                        Band=YES
                                        Album=Fragile
                                        Song=South Side of the Sky
                                        Circa=1970?

                                        Rich wrote
                                        “Sam...for someone who tries to appear to be searching for truth you certainly are hugely judgemental . . . “

                                        “True to YOUR way of looking at it, maybe look at what judgement is, IN your own self!.” Said Sam

                                        “I encourage some of you others to start topics that are simply put so that I (for example) and some others can wade through them and reply to their points as opposed to responding to the constant barrage of annoyance.” Says Rich

                                        “Does it not prove that we all get what we send out. If we send out an attitude that what we read is annoying then we are annoyed . . . we find what we look for in fact. . . Could this be happening here?” said Sam

                                        ***
                                        “ . . . as well as incredibly verbose” Rich wrote.

                                        Seems to say a lot . . . about both of us, HEY?. BUT so what?

                                        HERES ANOTHER AUSSIE OUTBACK CONTRIBUTION IT APPEARS
                                        “Exactly. Followed up by insulting all and sundry, using an alt to "discuss" whatever the agenda is, claiming everyone in the tribe is collectively conspiring against them to make them feel excluded (when we've all made up our own minds about someone but they're so obviously nuts/a troll/or whatever they are that it's inevitable that most people most places would notice and come to the same conclusion), and then eventually culminating Rich directly so that they can claim they're being oppressed for speaking The Truth TM (though I see there's already been a flicker of that flame so we'll see if it erupts into a raging inferno of martyrdom where the crazy person in question likens themselves to a saint/witch being burnt at the stake...which I always find ironic coming from an evangelist of any kind!). Sometimes, they huffily storm off to one of the anti-EH tribes...but most who weren't actually banned and who stormed off in a fit of pique because they couldn't make everyone here behave according to their agenda eventually end up back here since the anti-EH tribes are lame and they were essentially here acting out the conflict between their need for approval and desire to be perceived as special and superior.” SAID FIFI

                                        (Storming off in this piece, feeling superior, (DEFINITELY IMPRESSIVE). HOW can it help? Truly, HOW? Makes you feel good maybe . . . very good, then the writer has served some purpose at least . . .)


                                        Rich,
                                        . . . out of 1176 friends on yr tribe
                                        . . . 30+ individuals respond to threads, at any one time over a period of 2months,
                                        . . . and it seems that when ONE of them comes up with a subject that is a tad confronting, (as the writer seems to have), then you threatened the riot act.

                                        If you did, (in Fact), look at the entirety of the threads,
                                        . . . you would correctly see WHERE the initial hostility and upset comes from.

                                        AND the next 5 lines indicates what?

                                        “I reserve the right to ask to leave or remove anyone who seems to be annoying to other guests, or disruptive in general. Mostly I try to deal with these folks and hope they tire of trying to command attention in here, but I have my limits of patience just like everyone else.” Rich wrote.

                                        So, if it be true that you would flick a person off Extreme Honesty Tribe for (supposedly) upsetting the punters (cause of reasons stated by them), 15max. people out of 1176, that’s about 1.2%, . . . and you mention PATIENCE.

                                        Patience comes from the envelope of Life experience lived. Are you saying that you don’t want to be exposed to Life?

                                        AFTER being in business for myself since 1973, 5 children, and relationship success behind and shared presently, it can be assured that PATIENCE, as in piano tuning, IS THE most important ingredient to master/accept, and live in…



                                        Josh, there was no “ . . . goal to stand out . . . ”. Discuss topics of value, that some appear to be un-discussable to many, WAS the goal, not realising the audience was as reactionary as they seeem2BE.
                                        Other tribes hav not had the same reaction, and noted IS the audience found. Apologies for interrupting your tribe, the writer is surprised but not interrupted.

                                        Yoon, when speaking of “THEY” . . . what happens?
                                        . . . The Palestinians shoot the Isrealies, even though they are of the same genetic DNA Tribe, as no humanity is celebrated apart from violence
                                        . . . No connection happens

                                        Its the ATTITUDE involved
                                        . . . when perpetrators of crime against ordinary people are brought into the company of their victims, personal responsibility HAPPENS
                                        . . . both sides become aware of their thoughts, and some take responsibility for them, connections happen, with good results in the Court System in this country
                                        . . . the Attitude of taking responsibility for every word the writer writes is the same thing

                                        MY CONTRIBUTION TO THIS BLOG IS FINISHED HEREWITH…

                                        En joy . . . and thank you once again . . .
                                        • ps

                                          Sat, August 23, 2008 - 12:27 AM

                                          addendum #3 Lines not 5...

                                          and thank you for all the fish . ... . .
                                        • Re: The last entry of Sam to this BLOG

                                          Sat, August 23, 2008 - 7:07 AM
                                          OH there is is folks... the final I am oppressed and done with this stomping off in a huff and temper tantrum.

                                          So Sam here is where you still don't get it:
                                          >"In Cognitive Science research, both left and right brain are found to be used simultaneously, whereas Jsin, yr trying to understand from left-brain use only, is like walking with one high heel on. "<

                                          Asking that very basic rational communication skills be used is not simply left brain analysis but rather a call for the disussion of ideas in a usable and clear form

                                          >"What fight is that . . ?
                                          Maybe the writer is stupid enough to feel that a discussion was available somewhere along this thread that includes openness. Now we have guns???????????what????????????."<

                                          For being so right brained and capable of abstract thought I would think you would understand analogy. So let's try again. Mental fencing with you is like having a battle of the wits with an unarmed opponent. Better??

                                          And this one is a classic:
                                          >"If you don’t understand writing left by the writer, then the problem is not mine, my friend. "<
                                          Sam you have written nothing cohesive, you made no arguments and have discussed nothing even when invited to and asked for some discourse. Instead you simply ramble."<

                                          Finally:
                                          >"[My partner is a practicing Psychologist, so access to the category you speak of is only a flick of the hand away from this computer.] "<

                                          First ask them what a syndrome is. Then ask them how it might apply to internet behavior.

                                          Here I will give ya the first part... note carefully the last sentance of this fragment from wikipedia:
                                          >"In medicine and psychology, the term syndrome refers to the association of several clinically recognizable features, signs (observed by a physician), symptoms (reported by the patient), phenomena or characteristics that often occur together, so that the presence of one feature alerts the physician to the presence of the others. In recent decades the term has been used outside of medicine to refer to a combination of phenomena seen in association."<

                                          The stomping off in a huff BTW Sam was predicted as part of that syndrome..

                                          Thanks for the amusement Sam can't say it was even particularly challenging but it distracted for a bit.

                                          JSin

                                          JSin
                                          • Re: The last entry of Sam to this BLOG

                                            Sat, August 23, 2008 - 8:01 AM
                                            JSin - "OH there is is folks... the final I am oppressed and done with this stomping off in a huff and temper tantrum."

                                            Oh good. I've stopped reading his posts but they're bloody long to scroll past. Now, will he just leave in a huff? Or will he make Rich boot him so he can live out his fantasies of martyrdom?
                                        • Re: The last entry of Sam to this BLOG

                                          Sat, August 23, 2008 - 9:24 AM
                                          Well now Sam, I'm gonna do my best to throw in a little bout what ye said.It's a lot for me to handle so I may shorten a bit an please forgive me if it's not talkin' bout the totality of your post. Don't take me wrong but it don't seem you want to share the conversation. I think you was blockin'people off from hearin' you out. I understand how you may get mad at me and I have to accept that.But in some way yer teachin' people how you wants to be treated. If you was to dwell a bit on what you had in common instead of sayin what's opposite somethin' real interestin' might happen. Cause you can have a dual experience with people you disagree with.

                                          The fightin' part was what they call a loose metaphor. It happens lots in just regular everyday talk. Sometimes I gots to ask the person what they meant. And how it relates to what I been spewin' out.
                                          An I'm just curious. Do you think that the way you address peoples sort of gives them a que on what type of conversation they was in ?Not the words yer sayin' but how you make it come across?

                                          Take it easy Sam. Talk to you soon.
                                • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                                  Sat, August 23, 2008 - 1:05 AM
                                  <Coal Ila >

                                  Me ! Please ! I love it........ and right about now... need it ;)
                                  • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                                    Sat, August 23, 2008 - 9:12 AM
                                    One Coal Ila (with one ice cube) coming up for Bloke.
                                    • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                                      Sun, August 24, 2008 - 11:30 PM
                                      Why thank you :)

                                      Can I have it neat with no ice ?
                                      • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                                        Mon, August 25, 2008 - 7:56 AM
                                        You can have it with no ice but the proper way to drink a quality whiskey is to open it up with a bit of water, but not enough to water it down hence just one ice cube.

                                        And a glenlivit is no where near as good as a Coal Ila, trust me.
                                        • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                                          Fri, August 29, 2008 - 7:15 AM
                                          <And a glenlivit is no where near as good as a Coal Ila, trust me. >

                                          Amen !

                                          <You can have it with no ice but the proper way to drink a quality whiskey is to open it up with a bit of water, but not enough to water it down hence just one ice cube. >

                                          Mmmmmm... "proper" hey.. I know water is supposed to break the surface and release auroma (which ice kills) - better to drink scotch without it IMHO. The only scotches I put a drop of water in are things like Laphroaig (but not Coal Ila - both are Islays I think)..
                                          • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                                            Fri, August 29, 2008 - 9:06 AM
                                            Ice does kill it if you ad multiple ice cubes. One ice cube melts quickly and disperses itself just right so that you enjoy the flavor. When I went on a few tasting tours in Scotland the distilleries either added one cube of ice or a bit of water. NONE of them encouraged drinking it straight up.

                                            My guy's best friend actually belongs to some Scotch drinking society and when we were in Scotland they got hammered on good Scotch that was in his collection. I was still breastfeeding so I could only taste small amounts at a time.
                                            • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                                              Fri, August 29, 2008 - 9:44 AM
                                              I should add though that drinking Scotch is a matter of personal pleasure so there really is no "proper" way to do it in the end. Whatever tastes good for you is the proper way to do it.

                                              Some purist say that if you do add water you are supposed to only use water from the area the Scotch was made. Fat chance of us all being able to do that!
                • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

                  Fri, August 22, 2008 - 10:16 AM
                  "If one is incapable of putting forth their ideas in a rational manner and argue their position they are likely to be granted little respect.

                  Any number of the folks who have posted on this and Sam's other threads have found themselves in opposition to each other on various topics. It is a discussion group after all not a sounding board to be "told" what we should think.

                  Sam on numerous threads was not only given the invitation to discuss his ideas but was also given hints on how to do so effectively."

                  I don't know if Playuh's an alt or not but I'm not sure it matters as this explanation will benefit him/her either way. These three points, if generalized to apply to anybody who posts in EH, sum up the tribe. Feel free to state your opinion, do so in an intelligible manner, and don't do so with the goal of being Different and Standing Out, but to actually discuss something of value.

                  And before anybody brings up the subjectivity of what "something of value" is, you should know by now that while this is true in theory, in reality people need to take their audience into consideration. I don't go into a cooking tribe and only post about what the Queers are doing to the soil. I go there and post about cooking.
  • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

    Fri, August 22, 2008 - 7:27 AM
    Fifth place? Man, I guess I'm slipping. And when it comes to slipping, I always turn to one of MY gurus, none other than André Romelle Young, a.k.a. Dr. Dre a.k.a. Dr. Drizzay. In Book The Chronic, chapter Nuthin' But a G Thang, verse three:

    "Never let me slip,
    'Cause if I slip,
    Then I'm slippin'.
    But if I got my Nina then you know I'm straight trippin'."

    And all Dre's children said, "Amen".
  • Re: RESPONDING CONTRIBUTORS FEEDBACK SITE

    Fri, August 22, 2008 - 9:32 AM
    Sam...for someone who tries to appear to be searching for truth you certainly are hugely judgemental as well as incredibly verbose.

    I for one grow tired of your hijacking the majority of thread space here.

    I encourage some of you others to start topics that are simply put so that I (for example) and some others can wade through them and reply to their points as opposed to responding to the constant barrage of annoyance.

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