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twin flame

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a friend of mine posted this in his public blog..

it really resinated for me, so i thought i would post it here
and see what you think.........


"The Ascension is upon us. Those of us who have been awakened to our Divine Purpose, and who now realize that our inner voice was right all along, have reached a magnificent place in our lives. Those of us who are single have recently been more acutely aware of our desire to reunite with our Twin Flames, but this was not successful. Now, we have realized and confirmed that we are One with the Source, and that our instinct was correct in helping us to not become involved with anyone until such time as we both understood our connection to the Creator. We are now free to manifest that magical Twin Flame relationship into our lives.

.....................as I now understand that I could not exist in a relationship that was anything less than a true Twim Flame wherein both partners are ascending and are in tune with Source Energy. "
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  • Re: twin flame

    Tue, July 4, 2006 - 11:07 PM
    So I have to use two lighters to light a cigarette now?
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      Re: twin flame

      Tue, July 4, 2006 - 11:08 PM
      just light mine for me and all will be well
      • Re: twin flame

        Tue, July 4, 2006 - 11:09 PM
        Ok, and could you translate this entry into elainespeak?

        I think it is asaying, " Dudes, if'n you are single and dont want to be and shit, yeah well, you are sooooo going to get laid soon. Woot!"
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          Re: twin flame

          Tue, July 4, 2006 - 11:17 PM
          let's look at it this way........

          if you were to become one with driving, for instance
          to ascend and become one with that energy....

          would you be able to drive without fear?
          • Re: twin flame

            Tue, July 4, 2006 - 11:28 PM
            Never. Driving should always involve a little bit of fear, even if its the fear of hurting someone else by carelessness.
          • Re: twin flame

            Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:33 AM
            hmmm.

            would this work?

            maybe..
            if we connect into our 'true' self and sense of power.. easing onto the path that resonates with our destiny and 'true path'....

            then we get to indulge and activate our wondertwin powers into the form of a nice ice sizzling hottie?

            ;' ]
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              Re: twin flame

              Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:38 AM
              oh my gawd I want some of what your on. I want wondertwin powers damn it.
              • Re: twin flame

                Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:40 AM
                ginseng ice chai and mango sorbet...... churns up the wondertwin powers well.. ;' ]
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                  Re: twin flame

                  Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:41 AM
                  ahhh so that's your secret,>>>>>>put's down the block of cheeze and takes notes<<<<<
              • Re: twin flame

                Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:07 AM
                >>I want wondertwin powers damn it

                the gems got it
                geminis.tribe.net/photos/18...7f3f6d6fcf
                hahahaha
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                  Re: twin flame

                  Wed, July 5, 2006 - 10:20 AM
                  "as I now understand that I could not exist in a relationship that was anything less than a true Twim Flame wherein both partners are ascending and are in tune with Source Energy. "


                  It is my understanding that there are different types of Soul Partnerships....Twin Flame being just one type...

                  And that if "we" hold out, project, or otherwise search for only that type of connection (Twin Flame) or rleationship...

                  We are doomed to failure and disappointment.



                  ~MTS~
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                    Re: twin flame

                    Wed, July 5, 2006 - 10:32 AM
                    :::creeps to edge of seat...:::

                    well? what are the other types???

                    :::...waits expectantly:::
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                      Re: twin flame

                      Wed, July 5, 2006 - 10:38 AM
                      I have to go hunt it down.

                      In the interim, here is a similar concept without the patchouli laden metaphysical stuff.

                      ~MTS~



                      "There are three different types of relationship mirrors. One is the mirror of who you were. This mirror gives you the opportunity to see how far you have come, the chance to experience the karma that you have already cleared. So don ’t get caught up in this relationship worried about why it is coming back at this time, thank it and let it go.

                      A second type of relationship is the one that is mirroring where you are now on your path. If an issue or person has an emotional “charge ”to it, then you still have work to do. This mirror is the hardest to look at because it reflects the issues you have not yet finished in your life. These are the things that we are the most blind to.

                      The last type of relationship is the one that mirrors your potential. This allows you to have a glimpse at who you could be, if you wanted to. This person is usually someone that you idealize and put on a pedestal or look up to."

                      I feel that viewing relationships as such, creates a larger playground for learning. Indeed, it allows for a yardstick of my own emotional growth. Finally...I can see how far I have come and where I am yet to trod. "
                      • Re: twin flame

                        Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:07 AM
                        hmm - twin-flame == mirrored-current-state, with possible-charge-of-excitement... yup, ill have the patchoulli... :) and yes, ive been disappointed... im not sure id want a relationship without the charge-tho, and the striving-to-future-potential seems not-so-fun either...

                        i like the metaphors tho - twin flame still seems the coolest-to-strive-for.
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                          Re: twin flame

                          Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:09 AM
                          I still have to find the desc...but what it articulates is that if that is the only thing you are seeking to find, you may end up disappointing yourself...

                          sometimes we are not destined to be with a Twin Flame in this incarnation...

                          ~MTS~
                          • Re: twin flame

                            Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:14 AM
                            :::singing an old-cartoony-song...:::

                            dis-a-point-ment, here-i-come...
                            right back where i started from...

                            dadeeda-dadeeda-dadeedadeedum...
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                Re: twin flame

                Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:17 AM
                really ...pass the pipe hon....
                Elaines got the swing of it me thinks...If you are alone, you'll get laid soon... that's the message.
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                  Re: twin flame

                  Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:20 AM
                  who you talkin' too?
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                    Re: twin flame

                    Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:20 AM
                    to
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                    Re: twin flame

                    Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:26 AM
                    sorry - i skipped-the-pipe. never been into pot personally. feel free to continue on... feel free to skip-me on the next-go-around too. :)
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                    Re: twin flame

                    Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:38 AM
                    sunny of course ...
  • Re: twin flame

    Tue, July 4, 2006 - 11:50 PM
    yeah, if I'm reading this the way I think I am, I think I get it
    (well now, that's a "duh" statement if I've ever written one!!)

    is it kinda like... if you're looking for a person who will "complete" you, because you're not whole... it's never really going to work,
    but if you're both "whole" to begin with (well, not that we ever can be 100%) but connected, grounded, in touch with the Source, however you want to word it,
    then when you get together, neither is looking to the other for completion, you're just working together in bigger and really powerful ways?

    does that make sense?
    maybe this didn't really need to be re-worded to begin with.
    maybe I'm just talking to myself/typing out loud.
    maybe it's time for me to go to bed.

    thanks for re-posting this here for us.
    good thoughts, indeed
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      Re: twin flame

      Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:28 AM
      I feel a bit stoned after reading that, ere' take this, it's burnin my fingers.
      • Re: twin flame

        Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:30 AM
        >>I feel a bit stoned after reading that,<<

        Me too. Oh wait, I was stoned before I read it.
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          Re: twin flame

          Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:32 AM
          woah dude that was trippy. I think I just saw god or simethin, no wait it was just my cat.
          • Re: twin flame

            Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:40 AM
            no dude.

            god IS a cat.
            • Re: twin flame

              Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:42 AM
              God is SO not a cat.

              • Re: twin flame

                Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:44 AM
                >>God is SO not a cat.<<

                Agreed, I beleive in cats.
                • Re: twin flame

                  Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:50 AM
                  Cats, however, dont believe in you, Rich.

                  That's the word on the street anyway.
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                    Re: twin flame

                    Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:52 AM
                    Rich I talked to my cat, he believes i you and I believe in him so therefore you must exist.... ere. passes it. cough cough cough.
                    • Re: twin flame

                      Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:54 AM
                      >>Rich I talked to my cat, he believes i you<<

                      Phew..my cats were looking at me all nervous like over the rumors I didn't exist.

                      *iiiiiiiinnnnnnhhhhaaaaaalllllllleeeeee*

                      Who else?
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                        Re: twin flame

                        Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:57 AM
                        oh i know. it is a divine sparkly thread that runs through all of us, within, without and nowhere in between.
                        THINK YOU FORGOT THE PART ABOUT THE NEVERENDING ABYSS OF HAPPINESS THAT WELLS UP WITH IN YOU WHEN YOU REALISE THAT EXISTANCE AND CHANCE ARE ALL JUST MERE EXISTENTIAL THOUGHTS THAT CHANGE WHEN..

                        oh crap I just looked up and saw I was writing in all capitals.... wow dude it was like it was meant to be. I think that was the smartest thing I've ever written ever. Man I'm soooo baked right now.
                        • Re: twin flame

                          Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:06 AM
                          "ABOUT THE NEVERENDING ABYSS OF HAPPINESS "

                          so you mean the whole life is a hologram.... and our silly minds are the captain kirk's of our personal laser light show schtick?
                      • Re: twin flame

                        Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:59 AM
                        ROFL!

                        now, if you'd said god was a dog, I woulda told ya you had it all backwards...
                        hardeeharhar.. bad joke...

                        'ere...
                        *cough* *cough*
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                          Re: twin flame

                          Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:03 AM
                          ohh good one, damn that sooooo went over my head.

                          ere... pass it pass it. ooops dropped it sorry.
              • Re: twin flame

                Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:54 AM
                "God is SO not a cat. "

                oh i know. it is a divine sparkly thread that runs through all of us, within, without and nowhere in between.

                but that just doesn't sound as funny.
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                  Re: twin flame

                  Wed, July 5, 2006 - 10:56 AM
                  oh my!

                  is it possible to believe and not beleive in Twin Flames AT THE SAME TIME????
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                    Re: twin flame

                    Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:03 AM
                    although, the not so funny reply.

                    is accessing the twin flame, more about building one's self up... or merely OPENING one's frame of mind to receive it?
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                      Re: twin flame

                      Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:11 AM
                      good question....
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                        Re: twin flame

                        Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:14 AM
                        Clients often insist that their loved one is a soulmate, yet, there are different classifications of soulmates; each one having some unique spiritual dynamics, relational patterns, and most likely outcome. Therefore, I would like to clarify the concept of a soulmate so that if it is determined that a partner, ex partner, or potential partner-to-be is "a" soulmate you will be better able to comprehend the type of variables that more than likely have been/will be influencing your human relationship.

                        Please remember, however, that - despite any spiritual dynamics affecting a union - our own free will and that of our loved one ultimately dictates who we will be with, when, why, and for how long. Because of this, the information below is intended only to be used as a basic guideline to help you glean insight into the "hidden" aspects of your partnership and potential future together. Nothing written below is etched in stone and should not be interpreted as an absolute.

                        There are differing philosophies pertaining to soulmates. Each psychic consultant or metaphysician may have his or her own. The information provided below is derived from over twenty-five years of research and interacting with Spirit, spirit guides, angels, deceased loved ones, and clients. I have been taught that, in reality, we are all soulmates because we are all connected on the most profound level; we are derived from the same universal life force and will return to the same universal life force once our physical shell meets its demise.

                        Therefore, for all intent and purposes, the terminology "soulmate" is a humanistic one. Whenever we encounter someone who elicits intense emotions and/or a strong physical passion within us we often want to believe that some "greater plan" or "destiny" brought us together for a special purpose; thereby creating a spiritual bond with our partner or desired partner. We may then use the term of endearment "soulmate" to define him or her.

                        Unfortunately, however, it occurs often enough that those persons who do elicit intense emotions and/or a strong physical passion within us are nothing more than Passionmates (partners we are drawn toward based primarily on ego wants and needs). Although some persons will insist, "No, this is not just an emotional attachment or physical lust. There is a deep, spiritual connection between us," I've yet to encounter anyone who has expressed, "Why, I am not attracted to this person in the least and I want nothing from him/her! Yet, I just know we are soulmates!" More succinctly, this ego factor can have tremendous influence on whether or not we believe a spiritual connection exists with our romantic ex, partner, or partner-to-be.

                        By the same token, it is true that there are spirits whom we pre choose (whilst on the spirit realm) to meet up with during any given incarnation for various reasons. The implementation of that spiritual goal – of encountering each other once again - would be defined fate or destiny. Yet, most of what else happens thereafter would be a matter of free will. Whereas, other persons we may encounter figuratively for the first time here on Mother Earth. The persons we have a spiritual history with and/or choose to hook up with prior to birth are spiritually labeled soulmates.

                        There is a common misconception that we can only have one true soulmate and that this is the person we will marry and live happily ever after with. Quite the contrary, a dear friend, close family member, lover, et al can all be construed soulmates and not all of these such relationships will be blissful or lifelong. Additionally, the Universe is wise enough to almost always send us more than one option to choose from during the course of each lifetime so that we can exercise our free will once here and because being with the same soulmate indefinitely throughout our spiritual evolution could hinder our growth.

                        To simplify matters, there are at least three more common classifications of soulmates (as outlined below). There are also Limbotic Soulmates (those spirits who pre choose to become Companion Soulmates in time but who end up meeting prematurely during this life or even during a lifetime too soon as the result of ego wants/needs; resulting in a limbotic state for a duration) and Twin Souls or Twin Flames (I use these terms interchangeably because, in the end, this is when a singular spirit divides into two halves and one or both halves become infatuated with the other on the mundane realm for a time. Twin Soul unions, in particular those of a romantic nature, can be passionate but short-lived or even become a disaster eventually if both parties do not pre plan to be united in this capacity and/or don't wholly love and accept the "self" as is by the time they encounter each other).

                        *If you order a Comprehensive Lovers Soulmate Reading and it is assessed that your partner is a Limbotic Soulmate or a Twin Flame then much more information will be included on the appropriate soulmate type in your reading. For this article, however, since the latter two soulmate types are rarer than the others I have not included extensive information on them. You can also order a Comprehensive Lovers Soulmate Reading simply to glean insight into whether or not a soulmate looms on the horizon and what type he/she will more than likely be.



                        KARMIC SOULMATES, COMPANION SOULMATES, AND SOULMATE CUSP


                        Karmic Soulmates are the most common soulmate type, simply because as human beings we tend to make a lot of mistakes during our evolutionary process. These are the souls who have shared at least one previous incarnation together that ended on a sour note. They meet up with each other again in a subsequent lifetime with the intent of working on resolving any past lessons/rectifying any adverse karma, which affords them the opportunity to attain closure and move on.

                        It's certainly possible for these souls to progress to the next level of the union (and to eventually become Companion Soulmates) instead of separating if both parties strongly desire this and apply mutual effort. However, usually at least one partner deviates from such a path over time because to conquer all of these goals in a singular lifetime and then to still have sufficient affection/desire to be with the alternate party proves too daunting.

                        In fact, it's not uncommon for Karmic Soulmates to actually create new lessons and accrue more adverse karma as opposed to alleviating the old (again, if both don't put forth equal effort and dedication to remedying issues). Such a partnership (whether platonic, romantic, or business) can have several ruptures either before the relationship ever truly gets off the ground or before the permanent severing of ties.

                        Although some Karmic Soulmates are lovers (or even marry), or are friends, or work together for a long amount of time in an effort to achieve their pre chosen spiritual goals - the union is unhappy, problematic, and/or cyclic (up/down, hot/cold, love/hate, on/off) at some juncture nonetheless; whether they ultimately go their separate ways or progress to the next level. More succinctly, even if Karmic Soulmate unions start off wonderfully and end wonderfully (which is not real common) there is still at least one in-between phase (but, more often than not, several in-between phases) that is quite challenging.

                        Oftentimes, too - despite any past karma or lessons being conquered - each party invariably goes their separate way in order to be free to encounter other soulmates who await him or her. This is because, again, more often than not the main intent between Karmic Soulmates is not to be long-term partners again in the first place but, rather, to triumph over former matters if possible, attain closure, and then move on. If this is not accomplished, or if additional adverse karma is accrued, they can end up encountering each other in lifetime after lifetime until they finally get it “right” or until one decides to wholly release the other forevermore. One, if not all, of the variables below usually affect a Karmic Soulmate union:



                        *Physical or Geographical Ruptures/Distancing
                        *Third Party Interference
                        *Chronic Indecision and/or Inability of One Partner to Make a Firm Commitment
                        *The Timing is Amiss


                        Please note: by the phrase “The Timing is Amiss” I am not referring to some higher power or destiny causing the timing between Karmic Soulmates to be counterproductive. Rather, I am referring to free will here. For example, if you choose to fall in love with someone knowing that he/she is already married, and he/she says to you, “I’d love to have a life with you but the timing couldn’t be worse because I am married.” What this really means is, “I choose not to leave my spouse for you at this time (if ever).” In other words, bad timing simply means that either of you have excuses for not giving the other what he/she wants at the time he/she wants it (if ever at all).

                        Companion Soulmates, on the other hand, are those we pre choose to work on establishing a profoundly loving, enriching, and enduring union with; to teach to, learn from, grow with, and be partners for a lengthy duration - even a lifetime. Even though we can learn and grow from any relationship type, Companion Soulmates experience many wonderful, healthy rewards in the process! This type of relationship is very comfortable, respectful, honest, supportive, affectionate, loving, secure, committed, and all that good stuff. Although every relationship has its ups and downs, Companion Soulmate unions are centered on mutual love and respect even during times of adversity and conflict.

                        Yes, some Companion Soulmates can encounter delays or impediments before coming together in paradise, yet, in almost all instances both parties will take the necessary action to be together in a timely manner. I.e., if your Companion Soulmate is married when you two first meet, he/she won't keep you "dangling" for years on end before he/she divorces their mate in order to be with you.

                        Simultaneously, a Companion Soulmate more than likely won’t become romantically/sexually involved with you in the first place whilst married if this would be deceptive to and/or hurt others in the process. Rather, he/she would be inclined to divorce prior to initiating such a union with you. A partner who can cheat on their spouse with you, can cheat on you at a later time with another, even if you are fully convinced he/she would never do such a thing to you. Companion Soulmates don’t engage in selfish, destructive behavior in order to be together.

                        Additionally, not all Companion Soulmate unions begin with an intense romantic attraction or strong physical passion at all. In fact, a fair portion of true Companion Soulmates are founded more on friendship than emotional highs and fleeting moments of lust. They develop a deep, spiritual love and friendship which transcends the ego wants and needs of romance.

                        Soulmate Cusp is the scenario that arises when the couple shares different elements of both Karmic Soulmates and Companion Soulmates. The term "Soulmate Cusp" itself indicates that the final conclusion of the relationship could go either way but usually leans more toward Companion Soulmates (contingent upon various factors). An example of this would be: some residual karma from a previous incarnation that needs to be rectified but both partners pre choosing to work on being together in a happy, lifelong union after this is accomplished. Still, due to the blessing of free will, a Soulmate Cusp status does not ensure that the end result will be marital unity, for instance. In most instances, though, this type of union would normally be considered challenging initially but rewarding ultimately.

                        On the surface, any of these relationship types can seem so similar at the onset that a person may confuse them; believing that a Karmic Soulmate is their Companion Soulmate or that a Passionmate is their Companion Soulmate. Etc. This usually happens because - whether the relationship be Karmic, Companion, Limbotic, Twin, or Passion based - in the beginning of any type of relationship one might experience any of the following: an intense emotional attraction; strong physical passion; the sensation of déjà vu or an empathic/telepathic connection; pervasive thoughts to the effect of, "I KNOW I am supposed to be with this person. I can just FEEL it. This is THE partner for me," etc. If you are wrong and believe that one is the other then you could set yourself up for a lot of heartache.

                        The bottom line is that Companion Soulmates are not obsessive with nor abusive toward each other. If you just can't "live" without your partner; obsessively dwell on him/her; fight frequently; feel persistently angry, rejected, neglected, lonely, frustrated, and/or disappointed; are betrayed or cheated on; your partner refuses to commit; there are prolonged episodes of separation or geographical distancing, ad nauseam - it's very unlikely that person is your true Companion Soulmate no matter how "connected to" to or "in love" you may be with him or her. You can refer to such a partner as your Companion Soulmate until you are blue in the face but this will not negate the fact that said individual is not healthy for you and the potential of the union either flourishing and/or enduring is relatively nil.

                        Intriguingly enough, some clients write to me and make statements to the effect of, "This person lies to me, cheats on me, pushes me away, hurts me, won't commit, et al but I just know he/she is my soulmate." Yikes! If a person mistreats you, or is emphatic that he/she does not want to be with you, or takes forever to be with you then that individual is not your Companion Soulmate. Sorry. All the wishing in the world won't alter this because Companion Soulmates both desire to be together, both make effort to commit to each other in a timely manner, and both treat each other with love, honesty, and respect.

                        Then again, a person does not have to be spiritually defined a soulmate in order for you to experience either a miserable or a loving relationship with him/her no matter how long the union lasts. Even soulmates have to have a "first time" here on Mother Earth. As such, some of us certainly do meet entirely new individuals during our present lifetime who are not metaphysically regarded soulmates but who can become so over time.

                        Finally, there can certainly be exceptions in any kind of relationship - even Companion Soulmate relationships - so it's always best to use as unbiased an approach as possible when attempting to ascertain precisely "who" your partner may be. Our emotional/physical wants and needs can tend to cloud our judgment and intuition at times so this is easier to accomplish if you take a break from your partner for a little while and undergo honest personal, relational, spiritual, and psychical examination!
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                          Re: twin flame

                          Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:19 AM
                          So look at your various relationships and see which group they fall into. By knowing this you will gain insight into yourself. Self understanding is the entire reason for these mirrors, not to ‘fix’ the other person, but to look at yourself.

                          Now there are two additional overarching categories of relationships that people always want to know about. The questions go something like this: "Is there a perfect mate out there for me?" or "Will I meet my Soul Mate?" These are
                          interesting questions.

                          The entire reason for most relationships are so that you can work on your spiritual self and your karma! So with that said, the more you clear up issues for yourself, the more you ARE the ‘right’ person, the more you will attract the person you are looking for.

                          Soul Mates and Twin Flames are not the same thing. Soul Mates are other souls that have agreed to connect with you on this planet for a purpose. In some cases it is to clear up karma, in other cases it is to finish unfinished business, and for some it is to accomplish a particular goal together. These relationships may be
                          a joy to be in or these relationships may be a pain in your life. Either way they are here for a reason.

                          When Soul Mates first meet they sometimes feel as if they already know each other. They may feel very familiar to each other. Soul Mates can have a beautiful relationship together, but it will take work. Soul Mate relationships may last a lifetime and others may only be for a particular purpose and be temporary. You can have more than one Soul Mate in a lifetime.

                          Twin Flames are very different and very rare. Twin Flames are two people in two separate bodies that share the same Soul. Twin Flames meet each other in their first incarnation so that they remember the soul frequency of the other being. They are then usually reunited on their last time to this planet. If Twin Flames meet before they are ready they can be the total opposite and not at all compatible. When Twin Flames meet and are ready for each other, it is the most enjoyable experience possible on Earth.

                          At this point, Twin Flames are almost identical. They truly compliment each other and it is a hardship for them to be apart. As an outside observer it is sometimes hard to distinguish the two people. They also have a very strong bond and often have telepathy with each other. Their lives even before meeting each
                          other have many parallels. Again, meeting your Twin Flame is very rare on this planet.

                          So, all relationships serve a purpose and should be honored and appreciated for what they have to offer you in your personal spiritual growth. Thank the person and the experiences for all that you have had the opportunity to learn and clear. Know that ALL relationships are sacred, because they bring us closer to the Light of All That Is. Amen and Be Blessed!

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                          Classic Meaning of Soulmates
                          The concepts of soulmates arose from Greek mythology. According to the story, our ancestors once had 2 heads, 4 arms. They did something to offend a god so that god punished them by splitting them down the middle, resulting in the creation of humans. As a punishment, we are condemned to spend our lives searching for the other half, our soulmates.


                          Spiritual Soulmate Concepts
                          Many religions and spiritual paths believe in reincarnation and the concept of karma. Through reincarnation, soulmates may spend many lifetimes together in past lives. Other spiritual methods of searching for one's soulmate are astrology, numerology, palm reading, personality types, and magic. Modern spritual paths often blend western and eastern philosophies.

                          Companion Soulmates
                          These are people that we encounter through their life. These are usually friends, teachers, mentors, or other people who have helped you achieving a life's goal or helped you out of a crisis.

                          Twin Soulmates
                          These types of soulmate are your closest friends or a person whom you really click with. According to those who believe in reincarnation, you have already met them in a past life, and in this life you are continuing the relationship. There is an emotional bond between these soulmates and each is able to sense the feelings of each other..

                          Twin Flame Soulmates
                          This is the most popular type of soulmate. There is usually one twin flame soulmate for each of us. Twin flame soulmates have spent multiple lifetimes together in past lives. There is incredible chemistry and attraction towards each other. They "complete" each other and only few lucky people are able to find their twin flame soulmate. Twin flame soulmates, if separated, usually suffer enormous pain.
                        • Re: twin flame

                          Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:23 AM
                          :::tosses patchoulli into the air:::

                          thanx - i will have to go and read this in more detail a bit later... hugs, h.

                          :::relaxes back from edge-of-seat::: :)
            • Re: twin flame

              Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:41 AM
              >god IS a cat<

              >God is SO not a cat.<

              I don't know if God is a cat.

              But all my cats know they're God.

              If all is One, than maybe everything's God.

              So if everything's God, then every relationship has importance. And if there's no God, then there's no destined anything, relationships included. Why waste time looking for a "soul mate" or "twin flame?" Do the best you can with what you've got. If you don't got, and you don't want, that's fine too. (the yoga of common sense.)
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                Re: twin flame

                Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:53 AM
                instead of pretending as if i am some sort of authority because I can regurgitate other people's 'philosophy' well, like some people in this thread, which , may or may not be based in truth...

                I will throw my 2 cents in there based on personal experiences as a Spiritualist and someone who quite literally LIVES in the Spirit world on an everyday basis:

                Soulmates happen. From what i can gather, there are many variations and groupings of souls... for instance, say, 'red' souls, 'blue' souls, etc. etc. It is more probably to find that soulmate who also shares some aspect of your soul grouping.

                There is a flip to all of this- soulmates can equally be a choice. Sometimes, what happens is there are several 'potentials' within a soul grouping and over many experiences (i won't say 'time' since it's not a factor in the Spirit world), one can and does begin to narrow down those potentials to the 'best fit'-

                I assume that the potentials can change depending on the growth experience at the time...

                well, that's all i know personally about teh spirit worlds... take what you want, if anything from it.
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                  Re: twin flame

                  Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:55 AM
                  i've got to party with you guys and sunny's talking cat....so funny!!
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                  Re: twin flame

                  Wed, July 5, 2006 - 11:58 AM
                  What is true in anything you are saying, or in anything anyone is saying?

                  Is any of it "true?"


                  You are no more an authority than anyone else here.

                  It's all conjecture since no one really knows...even the "authorities"

                  ~MTS~
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                    Re: twin flame

                    Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:43 PM
                    i never said that what i said WAS true- it's just my personal experience- unlike you who seems to project himself as if you HAVE all the answers. How about relating this topic to your personal experiences? what have you REALLY learned about soulmates, MTS?????????????????????

                    I think there's more truth in people's personal experiences than in books, just sayin'
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                    Re: twin flame

                    Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:54 PM
                    There's no authority like experience. If anyone's significant other feels like a Soul Mate or Twin Flame, enjoy! I just wouldn't make myself nuts looking and looking and looking for one. Life's too short. Maybe if you work on the relationship that you find without looking, you'll each find your Soul Mate! Maybe Soul Mates aren't always "found." Maybe they "become." Maybe we shouldn't lay out expectation patterns for other people's relationships to try and aspire to. Maybe while people agonize over the abstractions of love and being, they are missing the experience. I'll hazard another "regurgitation" of other people's philosophy--the journey is the destination. Maybe! It's all maybe with me, so if I'm the pretender to authority being referred to, relax. I don't think I know any more than anyone else. I just try to do the best I can, and I recommend the same.
                    • Re: twin flame

                      Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:01 PM
                      "if I'm the pretender to authority being referred to,"

                      i don't think you were briar. it's one of those 'pre-existing' disagreement clauses methinks. ' ;; ]
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                        Re: twin flame

                        Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:06 PM
                        Actually Goddess, there is something to be said for having a conceptual undestanding of things and relaying it to personal experience rather than wandering from anecdote to anecdote...seemingly like yourself

                        Do you feel you have a deeper understanding of things based on your heritage or life experience?

                        ~MTS~
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                          Re: twin flame

                          Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:13 PM
                          As far as answering your question Goddess, I guess the way i look at such things are that...

                          yes, at time we make deeper connections of various sorts with certain people we come upon in life..and there may or may not be some unknown "reason" in all of that.

                          I have that and have had that...

                          But I think - as with many things - this kind of stuff feeds a tendency of sorts towards unwarranted projection unto others and sentimentalism.

                          I think it's important to throw ones self into love freely...but clearly and consciously...with faith and courage.

                          I don't believe that involves dispensing with ones critical faculties.

                          ~MTS~
                          • Re: twin flame

                            Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:21 PM

                            "I don't believe that involves dispensing with ones critical faculties. "

                            on the one hand i know what you mean.

                            yet on the other hand i also believe that the 'critical faculties' of western civ are so warped from the corporate/institutional imprinting (yes, even among the well-read), that i think an occasional free falling into the realm of the instinct is actually necessary part of reclaiming a deeper sense of humanity and possibility for genuine connection at this point of the cultural/societal evolution.
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                              Re: twin flame

                              Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:23 PM
                              "yet on the other hand i also believe that the 'critical faculties' of western civ are so warped from the corporate/institutional imprinting (yes, even among the well-read), that i think an occasional free falling into the realm of the instinct is actually necessary part of reclaiming a deeper sense of humanity and possibility for genuine connection at this point of the cultural/societal evolution. "

                              I think that's very true Flux..and that it's more complicated than that.


                              Are instincts "real?"

                              any soul in them?

                              ~MT~S
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                                Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:36 PM
                                "it's more complicated than that. "

                                it's more complicated than that to the logical cognitive aspect of the brain. not necessarily so complicated to the primitive thread that lives within us.

                                i'm talking about feeling/being in a more primitive perspective for a little while.. you know, things such as, standing in a waterfall. jumping off a cliff into the sea. you can try to overhthink, yet certain activities, after a certain point, require you to just be in the moment... all of one's resources focused on things other than the oft sensory/energy trap of logic or making sense.

                                "Are instincts "real?" any soul in them? "

                                i'm not claiming that instincts are 'pure' or a fixed destination. but yes, i very much believe that there are paths upon which one can have develop a more genuine experience of one's instinct.. yet the path must be unique to one's ownself and thus "discovered" and not "taught'.. so my words may very well not resonate with you.. which is fine.
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                      Re: twin flame

                      Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:10 PM
                      absolutely, Briar, that is part of my point- there IS NO one way to answer a question like this. What i have learned is probably only relevent to my own experiences just like, who ever writes those GREAT GURU books and think they are going to educate the world about soulmates, are simply missing the point- that their information is only relevent to themselves...

                      of course,

                      there are those that believe whole heartedly in other people's experiences and want desperately to make those things , their own.

                      BUT

                      truth in the matter is 'relative'

                      literally.

                      and Flux, you are correct there is a pre-existanting disagreement clause.
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                        Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:16 PM
                        i agree that we all have hella filters.

                        the people that pretend like they don't have filters do tend to come across as poseurs.

                        they might even have some great insights.. yet to talk to another, it's necessary to cop to one's own filters, or else, endless circular debates ensue.

                        so, in my very personal and unique view, we all need to cop to the fact that truth is very relative and fluid. we are all equal and can all teach each other something. open ears are the only obstacle. ; ]
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                          Re: twin flame

                          Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:19 PM
                          yes, well, as usual, you and i seem to be on the same page, flux. ;-P

                          well- to me, on my path, it is rediculous to assume that another man's 'context' is relevant to my spiritual passages...

                          the kingdom of God with within... what more do i need?
                        • Re: twin flame

                          Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:21 PM
                          to cop to one's own filters, or else, endless circular debates ensue. ....>>>>

                          And BOY have I ever SEEN that here in EH at times!

                          My take on this..you either like one another in a relationship or you don't and then you have one less Bic! All these written theories are at best...laughable for the most part.
                          • Re: twin flame

                            Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:39 PM
                            "laughable for the most part."

                            and i'd say that laughter is one of the few bedrock absolute necessities. ;' ]

                            imho, we all need to smile, frown grimace and ponder to avoid becoming too cartoonlike.....
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                              Re: twin flame

                              Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:45 PM
                              I also think if we limit our understanding of ourselves, others and the world to simply a collection of personal ancedotes - the experiential - we do a disservice to ourselves and ultimately it may be limiting self defeating.

                              Our expression of such is important and valid but feels...incomplete.

                              It is a truth but perhaps it's imcomplete without some study and understanding of the theoretical/conceptual and the spiritual...those "things" enrich our understanding of our lives and our world.

                              ~MTS~
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                                Re: twin flame

                                Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:48 PM
                                NY Times



                                July 5, 2006
                                Op-Ed Columnist
                                How to Train a Woman
                                By MAUREEN DOWD
                                Washington
                                Women may want to mold their men to be more obedient and less irksome, but there are nagging questions about nagging:
                                Does it work? And can you do it while you're dating or should you wait until you're married?
                                In "The Break-Up," Jennifer Aniston dumps her boyfriend because he not only won't do the dishes, but he doesn't want to do the dishes. But in "Guys and Dolls," Adelaide advises waiting because "you can't get alterations on a dress you haven't bought."
                                Amy Sutherland struck a chord with her recent Times essay — still high on the most e-mailed list — about how she successfully applied the techniques of exotic animal trainers to change some annoying traits of her husband, Scott. He became her guinea pig for methods she discovered as she researched a book on trainers teaching hyenas to pirouette, baboons to skateboard and elephants to paint.
                                "The central lesson I learned from exotic animal trainers is that I should reward behavior I like and ignore behavior I don't," she wrote. "After all, you don't get a sea lion to balance a ball on the end of its nose by nagging."
                                She began using "approximations," which means rewarding the small steps toward learning a whole new behavior. "With the baboon you first reward a hop, then a bigger hop, then an even bigger hop," she wrote. "With Scott the husband, I began to praise every small act every time: if he drove just a mile an hour slower, tossed one pair of shorts into the hamper, or was on time for anything."
                                She also learned the concept of "incompatible behavior," training an animal in a new behavior that would make the annoying behavior impossible. To keep Scott from crowding her while she cooked, she set a bowl of chips and salsa across the room.
                                Could it be that simple? And does it work the other way around — can men train women using exotic animal techniques?
                                Helen Fisher, a Rutgers anthropologist and the author of "Why We Love: The Nature and Chemistry of Romantic Love," speculated that it might be easier for men to train women because "women are better at reading the emotions in your voice, better at seeing things in their peripheral vision, better at seeing in the dark. So just the man's tone of voice as opposed to even the words could be rewarding."
                                Both sexes would be better off following the lead of animal trainers and ignoring irritating bad behavior.
                                "Women are more verbal," she said. "But that doesn't mean that men aren't manipulative. I think both sexes are busy manipulating each other. Women will nag and men will tease. There's a kind of teasing that's just cloaked nagging."
                                She observed that it may be hard for men to use compliments to alter female behavior because women give and get so many polite or insincere compliments from other women that they're immune to flattering words.
                                "Men and women tend to get intimacy differently," she explained. "Women get intimacy from face-to-face contact. We do what we call the anchoring gaze. It comes from millions of years of holding your baby in front of your face. Men tend to get intimacy by doing things side by side, because for millions of years they faced their enemy but sat side by side with their friends.
                                "If I were a man rewarding a woman, I'd do it in the format women find intimate, which is face to face. I'd go straight up to her, while she was doing the dishes, I'd turn her around face to face, and I'd say: 'Thanks so much for being on time last night. It meant a lot to me.' " (You might also tell her that you will not only finish the dishes, but that you want to finish the dishes.)
                                Training your mate may be essential in an era when everybody is more connected and yet less. A new study in the American Sociological Review suggests that Americans may be getting lonelier and more isolated, with people relying more on family and making fewer close friends and confidants from clubs and the neighborhood than they did 20 years ago. So if they lose a spouse or partner, their whole social safety net can disintegrate.
                                The romantic relationship, Dr. Fisher says, "is more poignant, focused and important than ever. It's also the one part of our lives we feel we have some control over. It's hard to change your boss or the conductor on the train. But if we can keep our partner from dumping their dirty socks, that may make us feel sexier after dinner."
                                But if they must dump their dirty socks, let's hope they can at least balance a ball on their nose.
                              • Re: twin flame

                                Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:56 PM
                                "It is a truth but perhaps it's imcomplete"

                                again, i think i understand where you're coming from...

                                yet most people lean far too much one way or the other. and to choose between the two, i think is not as obvious as book learning might suggest.. look where an overreliance on 'logic' and the marketplace has gotten us: state of the planet, the lack of compassion or humanity in modern society, etc. hell, i'd much prefer an illogical campfire gathering communing with spirits some of the modern equivalents (occasionaly ducking snarks while typing into a clunky keyboard)

                                imho, the 'illogical' collectives of the past, believing in those 'ungrounded' spirits sure had a few moments where they were a hell of a lot nicer to mother earth, her creatures and each other.
                                • Re: twin flame

                                  Wed, July 5, 2006 - 2:06 PM
                                  i think is not as obvious as book learning might suggest.. look where an overreliance on 'logic' and the marketplace has gotten us:....>>>

                                  And I know it's gotten some authors very rich...hmmmm...something to ponder as she puts the pen to the paper...

                                  Look...I'm all for self help,..but that is in really living one's life outside the pages of a book so to speak. I don't care what one writes or what one reads,..life just doesn't go word by word in a realistic world of rapid fire changes. What one person lives, feels and finds a true calling or success in, doesn't mean that it might work as beneficially for the rest. It's all about a persons own trials and errors in which they learn from.

                                  If I could live life perfectly and without any hitches or unforseen circumstances from a book that can guarantee me that,..then hell,..I'd have a few bookshelves full of them I'm sure.
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                            Re: twin flame

                            Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:44 PM
                            i think that's why love Capricorns- so Eaaaarrrthy! LOL!
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                              Re: twin flame

                              Wed, July 5, 2006 - 4:47 PM
                              it's kind of like that movie, "the Divinci Code" - was this suppose to be some NEW and novel idea that would change our consciousness about the Bible, Jesus, Sexy Mary, and the so called, 'virgin' Mary? At least that's what those who were trying to sell the movie kept elluding to...

                              well, my first hunch about it was right: It was written for PROFIT not PROPHET.

                              yadda yadda... and so i see this in SOOO many religions (that are so much more subtle in their approach) as well as various 'movements' do the same thing. Next time i need an answer, I'll ask God, who lives in my heart.

                              blah. bling. that's all i gotta say.
        • Re: twin flame

          Wed, July 5, 2006 - 1:57 PM
          hee hee! perma stoned here. It all made sense to me! :OP
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            Re: twin flame

            Wed, July 5, 2006 - 2:00 PM
            "look where an overreliance on 'logic' and the marketplace has gotten us: state of the planet, the lack of compassion or humanity in modern society,"

            I think that's true...

            I also believe that -really the best way to reductively describe it - is unchecked captialism.

            Feeding all the appetites, desires...notions of entitlement, etc...

            I'm not sure "logic" is the way I would descirbe it.

            And yes, I do advocate a middle ground as well

            ~MTS~
            • Re: twin flame

              Wed, July 5, 2006 - 2:11 PM
              "I'm not sure "logic" is the way I would descirbe it. "

              i guess the way i describe it is that logic is a myth as much as anything else. in the current age, i think it's mainly a distraction from what's really going on.. what really impacts us.. an illusion of calm in response to the true chaos. maybe sometimes we calm ourselves down with our unique version of logic as opposed to having the genuine emotion that needs to happen in the first place?
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                Re: twin flame

                Wed, July 5, 2006 - 2:14 PM
                I advocate an integrated conscious approach, mode, aspiration...

                that includes logic
                as well as spirit

                reasoned as well as passioned...

                etc.

                ~MTS~

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