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I heard this on the news this morning when I was driving to work. So how much does money influence your happiness (if at all)?
I heard this on the news this morning when I was driving to work. So how much does money influence your happiness (if at all)?
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Re: Money and Happiness
Wed, March 12, 2008 - 12:45 PMI don't need to be a bajilliontyaire, though I wouldn't mind it. What I would like, though, is to be debt free and have a little wiggle room. How happy money makes me is inversely proportionate to the level of despair and grief being broke makes me. -
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Wed, March 12, 2008 - 12:52 PMMOney is power. That being said, I am not a very power hungry person but I would like enough money or power to be able to say " fuck you" to those who would stand in my way..
I would also like enough money to be able to retire someday.Old people are going to be screwed big time here in the next few years.
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Thu, March 13, 2008 - 6:32 AMI agree, being debt free would be nice. In fact I wonder when they did these studies if they bothered to differentiate between people who were just low on money and people who had debt? Because in my opinion being poor with no debt is far easier than being poor with lots of debt.
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Wed, March 12, 2008 - 1:43 PMI've been in many different money situations (loaded to broke) and I would say that money is never a huge factor in how happy I am. Debt, however, has a huge effect. Lately I have enough money, but no income, which makes me very hesitant to spend. I don't have any debt, though, and so I am not overly stressed out about not working. I used to have a huge debt load and a decent income. I was more stressed then. -
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Wed, March 12, 2008 - 1:54 PMI think a couple points that apply to me were already made...
1. I want to be able to retire. I don't want to be that old lady who's working
behind the till at Safeway when i'm 85 because i can't afford not to work.
I also HATE being in the line at that till because 85 yr old lady is slow and
fumbly and well, that's just harsh for everybody.
2. The difference lies, for me, in whether or not i have a steady income.
if i have a lot of cash to throw around? sure. i love that. and throw it around
accordingly, until i am suddenly out of it (which i'm prone to doing). But there's
a sense of security in having a steady, dependable income (as i do), and
the knowledge that even when i don't have a lot of money, i'll have some come
the next paycheque, and i can pay all my bills and stuff on time.
Sure, money can't buy happiness.
But it's awfully hard to be happy when they cut off your power, phone, and
your landlord hands you an eviction notice. -
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Wed, March 12, 2008 - 2:03 PM>1. I want to be able to retire. I don't want to be that old lady who's working <
I contemplated this one, and last year quit my job and have been 'retired' for about a year now. I am deciding between continuing this or going back to work right now, but I will have to work when I am old if I keep going the way I am. I don't dread it as much as some people, 'cause I won't be able to dance, sailboard, snowboard, etc. as much or as well when I'm old, so I'd rather do that now than work to support a lazy old version of me. At 75 being at work will seem like a GOOD day.
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some statistics being "rich"
Wed, March 12, 2008 - 2:37 PMfrom www.cbc.ca/money/story/...alwealth.html
"It took more than $500,000 US to be among the richest one per cent of adults in the world, according to the report. The richest 10 per cent of adults needed $61,000 US in assets. In contrast, 50 per cent of adults owned barely one per cent of the household wealth."
Based on that, I'm defined as rich in a global sense. I would say lots of people in the US are amoungs the 20% richest people in the world.
Do I feel happy due to this so defined "richness"? Not in the least...
I am curious if people think of hapiness as the absence of suffering, which focuses on avoiding "negativity", rather than aspiring towards "positivity". -
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Thu, March 13, 2008 - 9:20 AM"It took more than $500,000 US to be among the richest one per cent of adults in the world, according to the report. The richest 10 per cent of adults needed $61,000 US in assets. In contrast, 50 per cent of adults owned barely one per cent of the household wealth."
No worries. The US dollar has lost 15% of its value against that Euro since the time the article was printed in Dec 2006..
Setting that aside for the moment, the quote above is essentially meaningless. The reason I say so is that it is almost certainly including housing equity, which cannot be compared dollar for dollar across countries. Consider for example, a cheap condo in Arlington, VA would be somewhere in the 300K - 500K range. I can get a 3000-4000 sq ft house in Cost Rica for that, and the weather is going to be a whole bunch nicer. Expenses will be a lot cheaper too, so even though assets would look the same on paper, they are not comparable.
I am not saying that the US does not have a disproportionate amount of the wealth, just that the quote above in meaningless in terms of comparing living standards, which presumably is what one has wealth for anyway.
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Wed, March 12, 2008 - 4:37 PMI switched to part-time work this year (less money) and I’m happier than I’ve ever been. I made a decision that I didn’t want to work full-time. It means that I have to wait longer for some things - I.e. new bathroom - but times flying these days anyway. It used to crawl by. I’m also doing other things myself, which I was planning on out-sourcing, and am finding it enormously satisfying. I have time to garden and cook and grow my own vegies. Ahh….the simple life. Time/money is a pretty clear trade-off for many people.
The only fly in the ointment is that I do feel some pressure to be more career-oriented and share the values of my peers. I reject this. It’s what got me in trouble in the first place. I just wanted a simple life, but this didn’t conform with social expectations on me about what I should want (go, go, go, climb, climb, climb). Anyway I tried to be what ‘they’ want and now I feel like I’m being what I want. Lovin it…
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Thu, March 13, 2008 - 8:50 AMI was put off by the sloppy logic in the article.
For example, Will (from the Cato institute no less) states,
"It's tempting to think that there's is a point at which money no longer matters, but according to the latest research on happiness, there isn't. "
Then he uses this to back up his assertion.
"According to a 2006 Pew Research Center survey, Americans making over $100,000 a year were more than twice as a likely to say they are "very happy" than those making under $30,000."
So what? Maybe the point at which money no longer matters is $101K.
The main point I found galling though, was his implication that GDP had much to do with how much money is in the average person's pocket. GDP measures the magnitude of total financial transactions. So if I sell you my house to you for 200K that I bought for 100K, 200K is added to the GDP, not the 100K that I actually realized.
I think it's fairly safe to assume that his conclusions were pre-determined by whomever paid for this analysis, which seems to be aimed at supporting current fiscal policies in the US. The article contains little more than propaganda. -
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Re: Money and Happiness
Thu, March 13, 2008 - 8:54 AM>> So what? Maybe the point at which money no longer matters is $101K. <<
For that matter it could be $31K if the $31K folks were more than twice as happy like the $100K folks. Sloppy reasoning. -
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Thu, March 13, 2008 - 11:14 AMI've myself experienced various levels of poverty, from dire to genteel, and respites of having more than enough money for my needs (which until recently were always quite modest - until vet bills got so high and home repair in the area became catastrophically high) - and poverty causes constant anxiety, shame, sometimes humiliation, can cause self-loathing, and actual suffering and fear. It causes psychological damage, a feeling of helplessness, and an actual inability to meet the demands that society places on everybody. I've experienced dire poverty even while working more than full time, multiple jobs. It's easy to do that in any area where housing consumes 70% of your take-home pay minimum.
When you have enough to pay your bills and save some too, you feel much better. You feel cleaner, that your efforts are rewarded, that your world makes sense, that you are at least somewhat competent. You can fulfill your responsibilities and deal with emergencies.
The absence of suffering for most people causes a feeling of some contentment or at least neutrality. For me, that's not happiness, but I'll take it any time over the feelings that come with poverty.
And I do have real anxiety about how I'm going to manage in the future and I wish I could see some way to retire then, but I don't.
But besides this, money in significant quantities has very significant benefits. It makes money. It has a life and presence of its own. It allows opportunities for interest and investments and returns not available to those with less. You get more things for free and at a discount, on all levels. People send their money and goods your way -- it doesn't flow the opposite. You have power, at least at the local government level . . . and you don't even have to spend your money to exercise it!!! Just having it is enough, for people to bend and scrape and give you exceptions to every rule. When you're rich enough, you don't pay retail -- if you pay at all.
I've known plenty of people over time with really significant family money, and observed also that they faced the world with much more confidence and were more willing to take risks of all kinds, and were involved in more things and successful in their enterprises too. A moody teenager with a trust fund is going to be almost as miserable as anybody else but down at the bottom, there's a safety net and they know it. And it's good. It makes you brave. Sure, some would deliberately cut a hole thru that safety net with drugs, etc. - but they didn't have to, that was voluntary.
I vote for money, definitely. Everyone should have more than enough. Not that I can even begin to plan a way to make that happen. But not being able to take care of your needs and the needs of your family ---- nothing fine or noble about that IMO. Or redemptive. -
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Re: Money and Happiness
Fri, March 14, 2008 - 12:00 AMThis OPB series has always fascinated me. We want *so* much total CRAP, as a society, and that desire is so deeply supported! www.youtube.com/watch Our "economic stimulus package" - what are you going to spend your $600 on? I'm thinking it will help offset my car-camping trip to the Mendocino woodlands in California this Summer, as gas prices are so fucking high! But that's me. -
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Re: Money and Happiness
Fri, March 14, 2008 - 12:06 AM>what are you going to spend your $600 on?<
An ounce of blow. At least I'll be happy for a week! -
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Re: Money and Happiness
Fri, March 14, 2008 - 8:42 AMmine's going into my savings account -- and it won't buy any votes from me either, mhuaaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaah!
I predict we'll be getting a whole lot of relief on the gas prices say around mid-September, just in time for the election.
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Re: Money and Happiness
Sat, March 15, 2008 - 9:10 AMMy economic stimulus will go right into the gas tank, too.
The main thing I do right now is go camping way out in the desert, and I haven't come up with another way to get there other than by car.
That was a pretty eloquent economic diatribe, Lily.
I live pretty frugally right now, and I think I'm pretty happy.
I'm very lucky to have bought a house before the prices skyrocketed around here.
So I can afford to work part-time and still afford it.
I'd be much happier not working, if I could pay the bills somehow.
I can say that from experience, having enjoyed phases of voluntary unemployment before.
I don't know if I'll be able to afford to live here when I retire. Property taxes on my house will probably be more then then the mortgage payments are now. Health insurance will be completely out of the question.
But, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it, I suppose. -
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Re: Money and Happiness
Wed, March 19, 2008 - 1:31 PM<Americans making over $100,000 a year were more than twice as a likely to say they are "very happy" than those making under $30,000.>
Too funny...
I do know some miserable SOB's who are rich and I know some happy broke people too.
It's stupid that people still try to connect the two.
Happiness is an inside job. Look inside yourself and you'll find your happiness. -
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Re: Money and Happiness
Wed, March 26, 2008 - 12:57 AMI agree with Bacon:
*Happiness s an inside job.*
I'm pretty f*ckin' happy right now
cuz it is spring
and I can hear the peepers
(I 'spose I'd be happy if it were autumn
and I could hear the geese headin' south)
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