Child Free vs With Child

I was recently on one of those flights and some babies cried a bit, but that's par for the course. I was also recently on the InterCity 125 where there were two families, each with a staggering four children. (I felt like wandering over with some free condoms and doing some quiet explaining to the parents, but that's another story.)

One family's kids played quietly and read and chatted, and the other lot shouted, climbed about, screamed at each other, and were generally noisier than a cageful of macaques. THAT's what I'm talking about, not the normal odd squeak, toddler voices, or yell for Mama when you fall over and NEED Mama.

My comment about responsibility was not intended to suggest that I have the monopoly on caring for the planet, just to counter Rich's presupposition that parents have the monopoly on responsibility and that non-parents are shirking responsibility because they don't want to take it on. There are different ways of feeling and manifesting responsibility, and as Ginette Paris says, sometimes a good parenting decision is to have an abortion.

Greetings all. I want to start out by saying that I will only take a moment of your time because, well, after all I am a parent and I only have a moment to give. I stumbled upon this thread while browsing a profile and I thought it sounded interesting. I only joined, however, because all day after reading this particular thread, it bothered and offended me. I had only read to kalsang’s first post. That was the part that I found disturbing. We have a person talking about how she wishes a person would come along and violently murder some children because they are too noisy for her. Of course I am sure no one here or anywhere else can explain to me how kalsang’s rights are more important than a child’s or anyone else’s for that matter. We also have her later talking about giving her talk to some parents who, she feels, have too many children. Sorry dearie, you are not in charge of anyone’s reproductive rights. Furthermore, why on earth would you want to be?? I suggest you go talk to your mother about this whole issue. I am sure she has some beauty full stories from when you were a little girl, in addition to some horror stories. Also, she could probably tell you about some times when she was made to feel very uncomfortable about you and your little girl noises and dramas when she was out with you. Oh, and I know that you can go and adopt a wonder full child in your country of origin. You do not have to adopt internationally. Alhtough if the agency heard you talking the way you have been writing here, they would say absolutely not!

There is also these pesky issues of lack of reproductive ed, rape, and prevalent abuse towards womyn and children. Oh what to do?? We could perpetuate it by spreading some more hate towards children and womyn, or we could show some love people. I knew a womin who was never taught to read. She was sent off to marriage at the ripe old age of 14. She was raped by her husband and her father. She gave birth to a girl child. That girl child, at the age of 14 was married. She was incestually raped and became pregnant. This child has major health problems. There are issues in this society that need to be addressed!! Do not point your judgmental finger at another. Instead of complaining about a child crying because of the pain in his/her ears from the pressure, why don’t you people do something positive to make the world better for ALL of us. Yes, I am suggesting that you think of somebody other than yourselves. May blessings and heart healing come to those who have been hurt, so that they may stop abusing others and move on to their true beauty and calling in life.

I find it disturbing that anyone would wish any violence on a child. This is a major problem in our society and needs immediate attention. I suggest anyone with these thoughts go seek help right away. Here we have a tribe called Extreme Honesty. Doesn’t honesty have to due with truth. The truth here is, there are some people posting to this thread who need to get some help. Children have all ways been here. We were all children once. Children will all ways be a part of society, just like young adults, middle-aged adults, and the elderly. We all make up society. And we are not separate from nature. Children being here are not contributing to pollution. The people making the choices for them are. The next few comments I will make are addressed toward this person Josh, who seemed to have a few issues with womyn in general. To you dear I say this, mom life=adult life for many womyn. This also goes for fathers. When you become a parent, it becomes your life. It cannot be separated from “other aspects” of your life. Also, your yelling at parents for children being noisy only contributes to the noise hun! I know your children are/will be no different from any other in these aspects of noise and what not. I want to add in here that each night, while or after helping my children to bed, I usually hear outside my apartment, adults. I hear adults fighting, I hear them yelling, I hear them partying and carrying on. They wake my children. They keep me up. I hear their dogs barking. I hear their cats getting it on. I hear their darn cars. That’s what I hear man. Not children crying, or playing or laughing. I would much rather hear the children. Go have lunch with your mother. She will tell you. Allow her to share with you, to tell you about your childhood, and the quirky things you did. Talk to your grandmother too, about your mother and/or father. Children are not here to be controlled!! They are here to change the consciousness of the earth….duh. Extreme Honesty. Come to terms with it man. We all must work to make sure these young human’s needs are being met. The only times young ones make a fuss is when their needs are not being met. Engage them with respect and you may learn a thing or two about being human. Moms who are stoked about being moms are what the world needs more of. They’re not just stoked about it because they have nothing else. They are stoked because it’s awesome!!!

Folks, the children are everywhere. If you need a quiet space, make one for yourself. Go there often and ask yourself why it is that you are bothered to violent thoughts about children. Show yourself some love and come to peace with the things from your childhood that hurt. Show a child some love, and a miracle will happen to you. Expect that there will be children when you go out into public and neither they nor their parents have to oblige your thinking that your personal rights are more important than theirs. If you don’t like noise, don’t go out. Listen and you will see that noise happens everywhere, mostly from adults and their tools (of pollution). The children have done nothing wrong…they are only being who they are in a society full of hatred and violence. Being born into a world where people are talking about curb stomping people and blowing away kids with guns isn’t an easy thing to do, for the parents or the children. Wouldn’t you cry out too? Oh yeah, that’s right you did. And someone hopefully comforted you. If not, I am truly sorry, may peace come to you during this child abuse and sexual assault awareness month.

Oh, and I will not be checking back after this post.

PEACE IS IN MAN!!