Recipe for relationship disaster?

topic posted Fri, July 11, 2008 - 10:08 PM by 
*Ugh*
We've survived for 7 months against some seemingly insurmountable obstacles, but survive is the operative term right now...not thrive.

1-) Long distance relationship
2-) Business partners as well as lovers
3-) Both single parents (with opposing child custody schedules)
4-) Previous bad marriages and bitter divorces
5-) Financial instability, sometimes just one of us but often both of us
6-) Attempting an "open relationship" based on being each other's "primary"

Well, as you can see most of these work against each other in one way or another and the past three weeks have been pure hell. I think that if we had any two of these, possibly three depending on which one's, we'd be in a much more solid place. But at the moment I'm damn close to throwing in the proverbial towel...except for the business aspect because there are already too many other people totally depending on me. It feels as if we birthed this baby- the business- and just because we can't seem to nurture the intimacy aspect of our relationship doesn't mean we shouldn't still nurture, or co-parent, this baby. However, it's making it really tough to see all the boundaries clearly because we still have to be in near constant contact even though the more personal roles we play in each others lives seem to be dissolving.

Hindsight. Foresight. Either one would've been helpful. I just can't figure out when and how I lost my sight altogether. At least it's finally returning...through three weeks of tears, frustration, anger and some shattered trust.

*ugh*

-K
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  • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

    Sat, July 12, 2008 - 12:34 AM
    Oh sweetie, I am sorry. Pheromones make us blind sometimes and we don't see or sense things that we should.


    May be time to graciously and carefully find the way out that is beneficial to you and to him.
    • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

      Sat, July 12, 2008 - 2:01 AM
      businesses, like babies of yore, have a fairly high infant mortality rate. since there are very few doctors to help "fix" them - i think it might be "correct" to let it "die" as well, if that is the way to keep your human sanity...

      ps - i hope we never GET to the point where we are "doctoring" our businesses to health because i personally believe that humans are more important than corporations. as it is, we have already let some fairly unhealthy-businesses "grow up" and propogate. for the sake of the "species" we should let darwin work his magic sometimes...
      • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

        Sat, July 12, 2008 - 2:04 AM
        crap - all that other stuff was my thoughts... my FEELINGS were - im sorry, k, that you are not doing well. i hope, for your sake, that you do what is "right" for you.

        obviously, my "opinion" is that what may be beneficial (since the relationship in personal-terms is not working) to you is to let the business-relationship stop working as well... but i have no real basis on which to make this "judgment". do whatever is right for you, your family, and your business - in that order... :-)
  • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

    Sat, July 12, 2008 - 2:27 AM
    Sounds quite difficult in terms of practicality. Then again, some people thrive on challenges & adversity. "The action is the juice."

    On the other hand, I see A LOT of people in mediocre relationships (relationships that don't seem to work well, or act more as a curse than a blessing) who seem unable to get out for various reasons. So many people are happy in their ruts. Personally, I don't get it. I try to change things if I don't think something is working well. I try to redesign when something seems obsolete or merely marginally functional. When I'm able to, anyway.

    I'd throw out #4 as irrelevant -- these days, pretty much every one has had at least one severely bitter breakup, a "virtual marriage" (if not a legal or official one) gone to total shit. And IMO #6 seems inevitable based on the other "problems" on your list.

    Oh, & given the obstacles you face, I'd be kinda shocked if you make it through the year in any sort of mutually satisfying fashion. Good luck.
  • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

    Sat, July 12, 2008 - 7:36 AM
    You know, K, I once found myself in a relationship that had all the factors you mention, with the exception of #1. Instead of long-distance, we had 15 years of friendship behind us, and wound up living together kind of by accident after my separation from my husband.

    In the 9 months that ensued, I discovered that NOTHING is worth the pain of a dysfunctional relationship. But we had the business, and the sex was irresistable...

    I'd like to say I backed up and maintained the friendship, and that we both acted like grownups and stopped what we were doing and kept the business going. In reality, he finally moved his stuff out in the middle of the night, the business went to shit, and we spent another year figuring out if we could talk without killing each other. Finally decided we couldn't.

    Sometimes, reading some of your posts causes that little scar in my heart to ache, and I don't say anything, because really, what can I say? I've been there?

    I think, for your own sanity, you need to start looking for the exit. See if you can be civil for the sake of the business - but don't put yourself through hell over this relationship. There are relationships out there that *can* thrive and that's what you deserve.

    Just my slightly-more-than $0.02.
    • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

      Sat, July 12, 2008 - 2:36 PM
      So, I sent him a more in depth view of my initial post here and he wrote back saying:

      "Kryssa,

      I so love, admire and appreciate you...way more than my words can say.

      Every word you wrote is right on darlin.

      We both have had and will continue to have an amazing life...and one way or another we will grow old together.

      Let's write the rest of the song.

      Peace

      Chris"


      What does this mean? I am so confused. He said he wanted to maintain the biz side and felt it was a good idea to let go of the romantic/intimate aspects but then sends me this.

      -K
      • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

        Sat, July 12, 2008 - 3:06 PM
        "...and one way or another we will grow old together. "

        It's easy to read what you want to out of this...but in light of what he said about maintaining the biz side and letting go of the romantic aspect, I would interpret this to simply mean that you'll always be friends or partners of some sort. Not to say that romance couldn't happen again in the future...that's one of the nice things about being able to maintain friendship when relationships can't work due to circumstances; eventually, those circumstances may change and you may just have the opportunity to try, try again.

        Hugs,
        Ms. Scarlett
      • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

        Sat, July 12, 2008 - 4:11 PM
        I agree with Ms. S, I think it is a warm & squishy "let's always be friends" message. A little too squishy for the situation, IMHO.

        Although, from what you've told us about his tragic lack of integrity, I'm not sure even staying in business with him is such a hot idea.

        This boy has been dishonest (or at least evasive) in the past, so keep your eyes wide open, sweetie.
        • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

          Sat, July 12, 2008 - 4:24 PM
          Yes. Sage advice, Anne. Eyes wide open. I'll be spending this Mon and Tues with him in his town for biz meetings and a project management software session and I need to make sure I've got my boundaries in check. Also, he's driving me back and spending Wed through Fri here for more biz meetings--though he hasn't actually set any as of yet so he may cut out right after he drops me off. In any case, I need to NOT be a doormat for him...not a lover of convenience. And this is the most difficult part because I DID fall in love with him but I need to not let that cloud my own boundaries and issues and needs and I don't need or want him to be a friend with benefits. I can get that elsewhere with folks that are on the same page with me.

          Should prove to be an interesting week.

          -K
          • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

            Sat, July 12, 2008 - 4:59 PM
            I've known and worked with/for three different couples who had been lovers when they started the business, or even married, and went thru what it looks like you're going thru -- and were now just business partners and friends. Or cordial, might be more accurate. Each had gone on to other relationships, marriages. It can work out fine that way, if that's what you find you want in the end. It does sound like that's what he wants, that e-mail didn't seem unclear to me, but if it isn't want *you* want, that e-mail could seem unclear to you.

            Dang. I had high hopes for this one.
          • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

            Sat, July 12, 2008 - 6:05 PM
            Sweetheart, the think I'm worried about, 'cos I'm just *that* trusting, is that maybe he's being a bit manipulative . . . Is it possible that he might use some sort of emotional "hook" to keep you compliant and cooperative; to get what he wants, with no trouble from you? I'm just saying, he's demonstrated well that he is *not* trustworthy, and is not at ALL beyond lying to and manipulating you, and I just don't want you to get worked, lovely one. Yep, keep your eyes, ears, and mind open, and don't discredit your intuition - I know you're a smartie, but I also know that love/lust can definitely cloud better judgment. Take good care, darlin'! :o*
      • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

        Sat, July 12, 2008 - 6:21 PM
        K, I’d just be concerning myself with the business side of things at this stage. Is he a good business partner? His looks could be a big asset in promotional and networking situations and frankly you are better off not eating the candy (capital) in these circumstances.

        I did think he was sending out mixed signals in his email response. He probably does want to keep stringing you along. Some men control women this way. It might even be ‘natural’ for him to manipulate a romantic connection - it’s maybe how he gets women to do what he wants (sort of like a flirt). It seems to me that you’ve had a lot of communication issues with this guy throughout your relationship and basic issues to do with trust. Is he untrustworthy as a business partner as well?

        He sounds like a headache and l don’t think this story is over by any means…
        • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

          Sat, July 12, 2008 - 6:49 PM
          I agree... what he wrote back to you is so vague and uncommittal ...

          It reminds me of things men have said to me when they dont have the courage to call a spade a spade ....

          Back off a little and give him some space... I wouldnt try to pry anything out of him as he doesnt seem capable of giving it ...

          An open relationship at this stage to me means the end .... maybe not the end of your connection but the end of an era...

          Let it go - you deserve more :)

          2 cents
          • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

            Sat, July 12, 2008 - 10:14 PM
            But, WHY?

            Is he just into New Relationship Energy and ours got old? Is it that I'm 38 and he prefers 20-somethings? Did I not give enough? Did I give to much?
            This really fucking hurts. I don't have anything else to say.

            -K
            • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

              Sun, July 13, 2008 - 5:10 AM
              the classic answer to this is : "it is HIM, not YOU". DTMFA
              • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

                Sun, July 13, 2008 - 8:07 AM
                "why" is the one question that hasn't got an answer...unless he gives you one, and it doesn't really seem like he's capable of giving any kind of info to you straight.
                (((K)))
                • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

                  Sun, July 13, 2008 - 8:58 AM
                  Well there's a good chance this guy doesn't know "why" himself, he doesn't sound like self reflection or deep insights are really his thing (mirrors aside). Though, he may have read some books and know how to repeat things that sound "deep" from what's written in the letter he sent! It sounds also a bit like the two of you got caught up in infatuation (which so often feels like wildly romantic "true" love!) and it's now worn off and the reality is a bit less glamorous (as it always is, glamor being a magical spell that doesn't hold up as well in the harsh light of day and farting in bed!). K - it sounds like perhaps you gave this guy your trust when you should have waited for him to earn it. (Hey, no criticism, hormones do that to a girl! It's just nature and her evil plot to get us to mate and breed with people that may be idiots but are genetically good matches with us!) It's easy to *sound* deep, clearly it's much harder for this guy to be intimate and expose his feelings.

                  Having started a business together certainly makes things more complicated. Is he as invested financially and in terms of effort as you are? Is the business relationship based on a solidly equal ground, or has one of you invested more time or money?
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                    Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

                    Sun, July 13, 2008 - 5:57 PM
                    What Thirty nine and Misha said. That email sets my spidey sense a tingling, in that I would best be protecting my assets right quick.

                    As for why, could very well be he is actually a confused shallow douchebag wrapped in a pretty package of Hot Guy. I run into those all the time.

                    Infact, I should come down there and whack him over the head with that political sign of yours and then run away. That would show him the error of all his ways.

                    And I would finally have a use for that political sign of yours, other than stare and it and have myself an evil chuckle.
                    • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

                      Mon, July 14, 2008 - 6:12 AM
                      Elaine - "That email sets my spidey sense a tingling, in that I would best be protecting my assets right quick."

                      What Elaine said. The guy sounds like he might have a sense of entitlement rattling around in there, that's why I asked if he was equally invested in the business.
            • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

              Sun, July 13, 2008 - 8:34 AM
              I feel for you ~K. ((hug))
              I don't know, that's why I stay out of relationships as much as I can, but that's not the answer either. I cherish the memories I have of when I did let myself be close to someone. I just can't do it until I'm in a place where I feel it's worth it no matter what happens.
              • Re: Recipe for relationship disaster?

                Tue, July 15, 2008 - 3:58 PM
                We spend a lot of time "looking" for answers, and
                everyone has one according to their experience and circumstances

                maybe rather than looking for an answer or meanings between the lines, and vagueness

                ask him how he sees the "possibilities" are, what is it that he sees,
                and then see if you can live with it

                sometimes relations have an expiration date
                and sometimes both have to be fluid enough to accept changes, with or without the other person


                best regards ~~~

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