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I wonder, from an analytical point of view, what you think the purpose of creating lame alts just to annoy this tribe are all about?
Here are a few of my guesses:
1) Needs attention. Mommy and daddy weren't good to them. I say get over it. Mommy and daddy weren't good to most of us.
2) Nothing better to do. Lost their jobs due to incompetence or are avoiding doing any work while on the clock. Doesn't it get boring?
3) Whack job. Self explanatory.
4) Pissed because they didn't get on Jerry Springer and their cousin/brother/sister/lover (meaning the person is all four simultaneously) is taking it out on them because they wanted a chance to tell the story of how they were seduced by a morbidly obese dyslexic midget with 4 penises and became a heroine addict who hooks at truck stops. You ruined it for him/her. Now you're taking it out on EH.
Here are a few of my guesses:
1) Needs attention. Mommy and daddy weren't good to them. I say get over it. Mommy and daddy weren't good to most of us.
2) Nothing better to do. Lost their jobs due to incompetence or are avoiding doing any work while on the clock. Doesn't it get boring?
3) Whack job. Self explanatory.
4) Pissed because they didn't get on Jerry Springer and their cousin/brother/sister/lover (meaning the person is all four simultaneously) is taking it out on them because they wanted a chance to tell the story of how they were seduced by a morbidly obese dyslexic midget with 4 penises and became a heroine addict who hooks at truck stops. You ruined it for him/her. Now you're taking it out on EH.
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Re: What is it?
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 4:01 PMthats funny - i just went over to the other-sandbox that uni pointed out and plain asked... we shall see (ok, _I_ shall see, hopefully) what (if any) purpose there might be to this process.
at one point, my paranoia caused me to assume that creating-alts was actually a virtual-manifestation of the RL-issue of MPD people who are incapable of functioning IRL... at that point, i kinda spooked-myself into a place where i dared-not-enter... there was some gal (moon? m-something... mother?) who was supposedly one of these MPD-people that i "fell" for.
thus, my "guess" is that the alt-creator derives pleasure/satisfaction at the anti-eh issues of lying and/or gullibility that an eh-proponent would provide... if you think about it - a member of eh is effectively a cult-member, just like any other religion... if you dislike the "eh religion" then there are all sorts of "reasons" to antagonize...
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Re: What is it?
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 4:02 PMcrap - apologies - i really should hit the preview-button, rather than the post-button... sigh... i meant yuni (not uni) - and i have trouble keeping track of the variant-du-jour that she is using... not trying to be disrespectful... hugs, h.
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Re: What is it?
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 6:47 PM>>thats funny - i just went over to the other-sandbox that uni pointed out and plain asked...<<
looked more like you were stirring the pot and fanning the flames to me.
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Re: What is it?
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 11:26 PM>>thats funny - i just went over to the other-sandbox that uni pointed out and plain asked...<<
looked more like you were stirring the pot and fanning the flames to me<<<<<<
Well, anything to get attention. -
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Re: What is it?
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 11:34 PM>>>fanning flames vs. attention...
uh, could we not just assume the "truth" (at least as _I_ perceive it for myself?) is what i write - rather than some projection of subtext that others have? jeez...
i grant you that there might actually BE subtext in my posts, but _if i am aware of it_ i always try to prepend my acknowledgement of any such subtexts... as it is/was - this latest alt-stuff was just me trying to understand who/what was going on... i asked questions because i do not know... sigh. -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 7:38 AMI don't buy it. I think you were both attention seeking and looking to stir shit. I don't think it was accidental that you made a point of using my name several times in your post. I think you were trying to be more subtle this time but you are about as subtle as a chain saw. It was still just another lame attempt to instigate. -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 7:54 AMthe reason i used your name was because it (and k, for now) are the only names that i have any reasonable memory or strong feelings about. im not trying to evoke anything from you - just trying to relate my comments to something within this tribe...
of course i remember some of the other names, elaine, ncole, wild, rich, umm... dave, umm... but they do not have any semi-permanent impact on my memory banks. our years-ago "spat" does have a permanent memory... in general, i just assume that everyone else doesnt particularly like me - which is fine, they dont have to. i just find it odd - since IRL i find plenty of people who DO like me. whatever...
i guess i am shooting for martyr (i think it was elaines role recently - altho that was a true-joke, whereas i cannot ever tell with yall around here) this morning... ive forgotten who, but i remember someone was in that thread and had started to accept the jesus-role... truly - my lack-of-memory is legendary among my RL friends... i am constantly asking probing questions because i do not know... my RL friends usually just say "you dont remember, but it was xxxxxxx".
whatever - that is all - no instigation intended. apologies (and i truly did apologize for my quickie typo after id realize it). i hate the preview button - cuz i normally just quickly reread my post in mid-composition and then hit submit...
i DO notice that j-t never came back to either tribe tho... and his absense for more than a day is a bit suspicious to me. i guess yall were right (i did tend to agree with yall) that j-t was just an alt for the j-timothy dude. i do not understand (read, i do not remember) all the 777 post or alex-stuff... hmm - maybe i DO remember alex actually... these are all ancient names that i sorta remember - but really just let this e-gossip roll off of me... another ancient name is adam - who i am still e-friends with, but havent heard squat from in ages since his water-island-tribe thingie... whatever.
long blather - but there ya go... hugs, h.
ps - if/when i am engaged (read possibly instigating, but truly just trying to keep-track) of a thread, _I_ tend to come-back and followup on it. hence (by projection) my assumption that j-t being gone for more than a day or so is "suspicious"... other stuff (like some thread about non-sequiter here, i think) i just dont even start to read and thus never comment upon... -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 8:55 AM<<our years-ago "spat" does have a permanent memory>>
We didn't have a spat years ago. Years ago when you chose to join in on harassing me. I had removed myself from this tribe and most of my other tribes for 5 months because I was choosing to take focus on my pregnancy but despite this was being harassed by alts and posters that originated in this tribe. I didn't know you AT ALL. You decided to join in the harassment of me for reasons only know to you and your decrepit mind. You criticized my pregnancy and criticized my mothering. You even started a thread in a now dead tribe called tribers court where you put me on trial. I never even joined that tribe and when I didn't join to defend myself I was accused of hiding behind my pregnancy. All of your actions were very bizarre behavior from a complete stranger.
We NEVER had a negative exchange or any kind of communication. So your characterization of those years ago events as a "spat" between us is an outright lie.
As a result I have been hostile in my interactions with you since my return to Extreme Honesty and I honestly am not sorry. Just as you have shown no sincere remorse in any of your negative behavior towards me or anyone else. You got and continue to get what you deserve for being the dick that you are. -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 9:05 AMWell I've come to see harold as an EH troll. I felt kind of sorry for him for a while (not realizing his past dickishness with yuni) and friended him since I though he was genuinely just a pitiful sadsack with a hard childhood. It then became obvious that I was manipulated by my sympathy and harold's victim song with the intent of trying to create conflict between myself and yuni. Or that's my take on it. He constantly goes out of his way to make a passive aggressive digs at Yuni but, like the wormiest of worms who slither at the heels of authority, harold keeps it passive aggressive. Really, passive aggressive behavior seems like the height of dishonesty to me. It's like polite and hidden racism in my books. -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 9:15 AMMeh, we are just feeding the troll, giving him the attention that craves. -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 9:23 AMYeah, it a bit of a catch-22 situation. It's like when a masochist decides they have a crush on you and follows you around licking your shoes, there's not much one can do to turn them off since nice, nasty and neutral/indifferent are all turn ons to them! -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 11:04 AMI would respect a person who actually just admitted "Yeah, I wastrying to be a dick/seeking attention / setting fire to your cat ectera. -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 11:22 AMhmm - ill have to see about setting fire to a cat... the rest of the goading - im gonna ignore...
if i ever DO set fire to a cat, ill be sure to post it on youtube - since i dont think it would qualify for wikipedia-status... lol -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 11:24 AMWhy would you ever set fire to a cat?
That's absolutely sick, dude. Why would you even say such a thing??? Wow, some people..... -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 11:39 AMexcuse me ??? i think it was YOU, elaine, who suggested it - i dont make this shit up... truth is strange enough as it is... lol -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 11:40 AMof course - maybe this is elaines p-a way of getting her martyrdom back... congrats - you can have it - im not interested... besides - didnt they set-fire-to joan-of-arc? lol.
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 11:38 AMi guess its been done - i dont feel the need to repeat it...
warning - graphic violence (for me it didnt make much visual sense till about the 1 min mark) with a tacky-heartstrings music/appeal to some donation-website... ive stopped watching after about 2:30 of the 5 mins - cuz the muzak is annoying...
www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 8:01 AMEh, if we really were a clique I'm sure we would have kicked out harold quite a while ago....just saying..... -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 8:42 AMAnd SAM=SAM clearly hasn't left as he kept threatening to do. Do they really have no other skills or ability to engage and interact with people as themselves?
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Re: What is it?
Mon, January 5, 2009 - 3:49 PMOne time when I kicked him out people complained so i let him back.
I sometimes wonder if Harold stirs the shit purposefully or by accident but ultimately it doesn't matter because he obviously has a big spoon to stir with. -
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Re: What is it?
Mon, January 5, 2009 - 4:12 PMHehe, I may have to, um, borrow that "big spoon" comment - very funny!
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Re: What is it?
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 4:19 PMw00t! More integers for clarity's sake!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the saddest part is that really, all you can do is sneak in here and either make some posts and then delete them or get peeps reiled up. Those are the only two options they have and yet they relish doing either one as though they came up with some awesome plan to fuck with us. You know what would be REALLY bad-ass? If they joined on an alt, started a bunch of shit, and THEN deleted the threads. Oh man, if they did two of their two options we'd be sooooo pissed. Oh man, I shouldn't post this in case they figure it out.... -
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Re: What is it?
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 4:33 PMintegers, rational numbers and more...oh my!
I'm off the see the wizard of alts.
Wonder who I'll get to be. Muahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
-K
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Re: What is it?
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 4:43 PMJOSH, FOR GOD'S SAKE SHUT UP. Do you want the world to know how devastating we would find that?
The only thing worse would be if they told a whole tribe of rejects about it afterwards.
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Re: What is it?
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 4:52 PM<<You know what would be REALLY bad-ass? If they joined on an alt, started a bunch of shit, and THEN deleted the threads. Oh man, if they did two of their two options we'd be sooooo pissed. Oh man, I shouldn't post this in case they figure it out....>>>
Hahahahahaha! -
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Re: What is it?
Mon, December 1, 2008 - 6:06 PMOH man, they would really show us, huh? -
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Re: What is it?
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 1:07 AMOy...I'm away for the weekend and crazy shit seems to have gone on. -
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Re: What is it?
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 7:40 AM"Oy...I'm away for the weekend and crazy shit seems to have gone on."
Man...good luck catching up. That Hell thread is a real shit storm of posts now. -
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Re: What is it?
Tue, December 2, 2008 - 11:09 AMKids got into the liquor cabinet again, Rch, it would seem. -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 9:17 AM>>Kids got into the liquor cabinet again, Rch, it would seem<<
EH is just exactly like my "real" life then. -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 11:04 AMwell then
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 11:43 AM<<well then
pass the liquor cabinet already..>>
Hey! We've reached the cyber drinking together phase! -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 11:50 AMi remember back in 2006 when there were a few drink and tribe gatherings.
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Re: What is it?
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 12:07 PMuh, wild?
ok - ill bite... what-is-it?
that was a nice video and all - but how does it relate to anything? your thought-processes are almost-always a mystery to me...
i could try guessing - maybe it is a drinking-song? or a anti-reaction to the horror of the kitten-vid? or ??? i dont know - im lost...
it is often posts like this (by others) - that usually prompt me to respond - altho in-the-past i just kinda ignore yours - cuz they just seem so random and non-sensical to me.
im fairly-sure that i will "forget" what your answer is here - unless you go to a LOT of trouble to try and explain some causal-relationship between this odetta-folk-song and anything else in this thread... warning - if you DO try to explain it, i hope you will be ready for more questions from me...
if youre not interested, then feel free to continue ignoring me - thats fine... h. -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 12:18 PMYounie changed her avatar to a pic of Odetta
who died
so i acknowledged that in an RIP post.
your being too dense to get that is not my fault
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 2:58 PMthanx wild. i get it now. i dont need to ask further questions. ill ignore the taunt (and grammar) and say that i did not recognize this subtlety. i do NOT feel that my missing that subtlety is worth apologizing for.
again, thanx - the vid/song was nice - and the fact that it is/was relevant - makes it a nicer post to appreciate. i prolly will not appreciate (due to cluelessness) other posts from you in the future - but i imagine others will.
take care, h.
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 12:15 PMWhat I wonder about sometimes is the people who always appear in the "active members" thingy but who never, ever participate in EH. They're obviously dedicated voyeurs and interested in what's going on in this tribe since they check in on it frequently enough that I start to recognize them even though I don't ever remember ever seeing them post here (but maybe they did and gave up). I mean, sure there are tribes I don't post much in or tribes I rarely visit but I don't get visiting a tribe every day that you never participate in. Are they fans of the trolls? Are we really that entertaining to anyone but ourselves? Are they just shy? My curiosity is piqued!
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 12:18 PMThat just shows that they are on tribe. It doesn't mean they ever check in and read this tribe. I have a couple of tribes that I hardly ever post in. One has at least 2000 unread posts since the last time I checked. -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 12:21 PMyeah, and i've clicked into tribes and then right back out again just to clear them
still do sometimes.
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 12:24 PMThank Yuni, I'd thought it indicated active members of the particular tribe. Seems like a useless feature if it has nothing to do with the specific tribe! -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 12:27 PMif you click in, you are technically active
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 12:28 PMIt isn't that accurate anyway. I have a friend who was on a remote island in New Zealand for a while and didn't have very much internet access and the entire time she was away she showed active on Tribe.
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 12:31 PMWild - Putting aside issues of non-functionality for a moment, is it meant to mean you've clicked in to a particular tribe or just tribe in general? -
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 12:46 PMinto a particular tribe
but Younie is right, it is buggy at times
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Re: What is it?
Wed, December 3, 2008 - 12:52 PMOh, I have no doubt it's buggy. I didn't particularly consider it evidence of anything, I was just passingly curious as to why so many peeps who never participate here show up there amongst those who do and (if it wasn't buggy and was accurate) why they did so.Thanks for explaining how it does (or doesn't!) work. -
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Re: What is it?
Thu, December 11, 2008 - 7:12 PM<Any of the everyday lurkers care to speak up about it?>
No
Muwahaa!
Although I do post.. occasionally..
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Re: What is it?
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 7:07 PM"I wonder, from an analytical point of view, what you think the purpose of creating lame alts just to annoy this tribe are all about?"
I think there are some folks that create alts (not to be confused with simply remaining anonymous) in order to live out the fantasy of being someone else, just to see if they can pull it off. I'm sure there are also many who do it because too many people have gotten to know their original profile and they'd like to participate in a tribe that might not *fit* with that original profile. (I actually tried to do this to check out a few bisexual tribes way back when I first joined and wasn't yet comfortable with the term "bisexual", but soon discovered that I just didn't have the energy to maintain two separate identities.) There are probably those that do it just to have someone to commiserate and agree with them, as I think we've seen here a few too many times. And then there are those that are just out and out creepy and hide their REAL identity in an alt while using their original profile as the alt to their genuine creepiness...think pedophiles and con artists.
I also know of of a few folks that have gotten together to create an alt consortium of sorts in order to infiltrate tribes as one single alt with several members. I think they did this more just to amuse themselves with the sorts of responses and pm's they'd receive.
In any case, while there are clearly a few dishonorable and downright icky reasons why people create alts, there are quite a few that are benign and not intended to harm anyone even if they aren't exactly honest.
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Re: What is it?
Tue, December 30, 2008 - 7:26 PMOh, and then there are those that claim that their real identities are so powerful and important that to know who they are would be a great threat to their lives and/or livelihood. This one just floors me. If you're that fucking important and powerful then why in the world are you risking your life/livelihood by being a member of a public message board forum?
Alas and sadly, there are also those that have inadvertently garnered a stalker or two and feel they must take their online persona underground, so to speak, so that they can still maintain the healthy and real virtual friendships they've found while throwing their scent off for the stalker. This one I fully understand. I garnered one of those 2 years ago. In my case though, I eventually chose to not hide behind anonymity (I wasn't an alt, but I hid who I was from everyone except for a few select "friends") because an online stalker/ harasser actually gains power by outing their victims real life persona. Going 'underground' and into deeper hiding just fuels the situation- and allows for real life threats because by hiding your own identity you're effectively hiding the stalkers identity as well. Going public cuts the stalker off...until teh stalker assumes a new alt and begins the harassment anew...in which case you just remain public and continue to out the stalker. Not a perfect solution, but it works better than the previous alternative.
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Re: What is it?
Tue, January 27, 2009 - 1:13 AMfun with alts
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Re: What is it?
Tue, January 27, 2009 - 7:10 PMBezi.
Always liked your posts..
Long time no see.
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Re: What is it?
Tue, January 27, 2009 - 7:43 PMK wrote:
>"Oh, and then there are those that claim that their real identities are so powerful"<
There is more than just my Identity that is just plain too powerful... ;-)
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Re: What is it?
Thu, January 29, 2009 - 8:30 PMsoon enough darlin soon enough... ;-)
JSin
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Re: What is it?
Sun, February 1, 2009 - 6:20 PMwho cares, you are giving more attention to the matter than is deserved. -
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Re: What is it?
Sun, February 1, 2009 - 7:15 PMIt's more a matter of being fascinated with human behavior. I don't see anything wrong with that.In fact, I see it as empowering because if I decided not to talk about it when I wanted to, I would still be reacting in an emotional way, which gives the offender the power. Really, the original posting was done in the spirit of levity.
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