So sick of it

topic posted Thu, October 16, 2008 - 8:59 PM by 
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This election sucks man. I can't wait for this shit to be over before I lose even more respect for people on both sides. The whole thing has just become so dirty. Does anyone even care about the facts anymore?
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  • Re: So sick of it

    Thu, October 16, 2008 - 9:48 PM
    i already voted, so no.

    i got my ballot in the mail last wednesday.
    • Re: So sick of it

      Thu, October 16, 2008 - 9:53 PM
      Yeah, I am sending my vote off tomorrow.
      • Re: So sick of it

        Fri, October 17, 2008 - 2:12 AM
        funny - i sent my vote in already as well - apparently i missed some of the "hoopla" that is now being thrown about concerning some of the ballot initiatives. it is funny because i almost always vote NO on any initiative - i hire legislators to deal with that stuff, so i do not think that they should get "off the hook" for $xxx billion dollars in bond measures that they cannot pass for themselves. otoh, i actually (this time) voted yes on one of the random ones about supporting clean-energy-stuff (california prop 7). of course AFTER i made my decision i now see all these ads for NO on 7. i think it is pretty funny actually.

        oddly, i rarely watch any of the political crap - but i randomly decided to watch a commercial (it was an obama one) to see whether it was as "dirty" as people have been complaining about. it was NOT. oddly, it was just your generic obama-is-good tripe. i figured i was in-luck today, so i have not watched another political ad since... lol.
  • Re: So sick of it

    Thu, October 16, 2008 - 10:00 PM
    God! I know!

    I can't wait for this shit to be over. Mudslinging, same old language, blah blah blah. I just want to know who's next so I can know how hard I have to work at my job. With one candidate, it will be slightly easier to get what we need. With the other, it'll be next to impossible. I'll let you guess which is which.

    It'll be hard either way, so I'm not delusional about it. I just want it to be over already.
    • Re: So sick of it

      Thu, October 16, 2008 - 11:31 PM
      It is amazing how dirty it all is.



      I am voting the the guy in the cowboy hat.

      politicsoffthegrid.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/barack-cowboy-hat.jpg


      But I must admit to enjoying a fair amount of all of it. I treat it like a sporting event, and LALALALALA the rest.
      • Re: So sick of it

        Fri, October 17, 2008 - 12:48 AM
        I heard tonight that the Canadians are carving a sizable section out of Alberta for Americans that will be leaving the country. Some think that Canada's population might be doubled.
        • Re: So sick of it

          Fri, October 17, 2008 - 7:35 AM
          "Some think that Canada's population might be doubled."

          LOL! Man, moving to Canada is one of the classic white people threats that we will never collectively pull the trigger on. Canadian citizenship isn't going to make us any less ignorant or feel any less entitled.
          • Re: So sick of it

            Fri, October 17, 2008 - 8:36 AM
            <<Man, moving to Canada is one of the classic white people threats that we will never collectively pull the trigger on. >>

            Uh, not just white people. Bruce and I are seriously considering a move to Vancouver.
            • Re: So sick of it

              Fri, October 17, 2008 - 8:48 AM
              stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/...anada/
              but no, not just white people...

              I love Vancouver and enjoyed living there when i did, for sure.
              Its a wickedly fun place and all kinds of brilliant, I'd recommend it.
              that said, don't ALL y'all come moving up here....
              although if your country's going to funnel into ours, fine - you can *have* Alberta.

              nevermind that our own election proved to be such a waste of friggin time,
              Canada and it's inhabitants will forever be affected by the US anyways.
              • Re: So sick of it

                Fri, October 17, 2008 - 8:57 AM
                Yeah, someone sent me that link a while back along with the stuff white parents do link and funny enough I do most of that stuff too. For me a possible move to Vancouver is more about finding a place to live that will work with both of our lives. I am never going to live in Scotland but I don't think it is fair to keep Bruce living in LA when it is not his favorite place either. We have considered Spain, Italy and the Bay Area as well as Seattle and we are actually still deciding but honestly how this election goes could push us more towards one of the out of the country options.
                • Re: So sick of it

                  Fri, October 17, 2008 - 9:04 AM
                  Yeah, i definitely get that... given the results (or lack thereof) of our
                  own election, i'm certainly doubly aware of the States'... i would think
                  that it wouldn't be the most effective move as far as escaping US
                  politics to come to Van, while somewhere overseas may be better
                  for that - but lifestyle and career etc are definite factors.

                  Good luck, either way...
                  let me know if you come to Van, we'll meet up :)
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                  Re: So sick of it

                  Fri, October 17, 2008 - 9:54 AM
                  Yooni, If Bruce has any intelligent, sweet natured, pragmatic, hopelessly romantic and good lookin relatives lookin for a pseudo-spouse that IS willing to relocate to Scotland, then by all means let me know. I can't move to Canada due to a DUI I got several years ago, but Scotland is high on my list of potential re-locations.

                  -K
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                    Re: So sick of it

                    Fri, October 17, 2008 - 1:30 PM
                    K, for me Scotland is a wonderful place to visit. Hiking through some of the highland areas with green hills and water falls cascading all over the place was like being in Lord of The Rings without all the monsters. Really beautiful. I really enjoyed being there and if I did consider moving to the UK then Edinburgh would be high on my list of places to live but even in Edinburgh the top activity seems to be drinking and more drinking. I would get super bored with that real quick. And the weather is another factor. I know it rains quite a bit in Vancouver but it is no where near as cold, windy and rainy as Scotland. Last time I was in Vancouver it was November and it was still warmer than the month of May I spent in Scotland!
            • Re: So sick of it

              Mon, October 20, 2008 - 7:41 AM
              "Uh, not just white people. Bruce and I are seriously considering a move to Vancouver."

              "Josh - I'll second Yuni on this one, it's definitely not just white Americans that move to Canada (or think about it)."

              I know, I know. I was making a reference to the page Nicole so thoughtfully linked. I assumed it had achieved enough saturation for me to skip the link.
              • Re: So sick of it

                Mon, October 20, 2008 - 9:17 AM
                Yeh... Harper's a douche.
                We've had more called elections with him in office than i care to think
                about, and yet somehow he keeps winning anyways - i'm fairly disenchanted
                with the bulk of the Canadian public at this point.

                I like Justin Trudeau but i'm not too familiar with his politics...
                i met him when he came to town a few years ago, he was doing avalanche
                awareness speeches - his brother Michel died here way back when.
                he was a super cool guy.



                People can come to Canada and stay with me as long as they bring presents.
                • Re: So sick of it

                  Mon, October 20, 2008 - 3:22 PM
                  People can come to Canada and stay with me as long as they bring presents.
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                  like american bacon? have you had it? it's to die for!
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                    Re: So sick of it

                    Tue, October 21, 2008 - 7:32 AM
                    "like american bacon? have you had it? it's to die for!"

                    You should try American Ham, too. It's not unlike Canadian Bacon. The main difference is that it doesn't sully our delicious pizza unlike your insidious "bacon". Jesus Christ, and you assholes want to MOVE there?
                    • Re: So sick of it

                      Wed, October 22, 2008 - 7:40 AM
                      Josh - Bacon on pizza is the bomb! But, really, it's all about the poutine.
                      • Re: So sick of it

                        Wed, October 22, 2008 - 9:15 AM
                        i think i'm just going to say, and then leave it be...
                        a) i disagree with you on a number of points, but don't care to argue
                        b) i *do* agree at least that Harper is a douche
                        c) bacon is awesome.
                        • Re: So sick of it

                          Wed, October 22, 2008 - 11:11 AM
                          Nicole - Fair enough. Agreement on bacon and Harper are key points that speak to the fundamentals of someone's personality for me (hell, even most vegans tend to agree that bacon is yummy, if also disgusting to them personally). Now is there some way we can use a love of bacon to take down the douchebag?.....
                          • Re: So sick of it

                            Wed, October 22, 2008 - 12:31 PM
                            Are the new school Rovian neo cons even really conservatives any more? They strike me more along the lines of fascists

                            . Fascists being , in my mind, the people who get in the way of me when I want to do something, or wont let me do something.


                            Bacon Douchebag would be a good name for a band.
                            • Re: So sick of it

                              Wed, October 22, 2008 - 1:20 PM
                              Bacon Douchebag *would* be a great name for a band. Klezmer punk perhaps?

                              Yeah, I agree about Rovian NeoCons being more along the lines of fascists and having little to do with old school conservatives... One indication of that is just how many old school conservatives in the US are switching allegiances this election, or so it seems to me anyway from my spot here across the border watching the action.
                            • Re: So sick of it

                              Wed, October 22, 2008 - 2:13 PM
                              >>Bacon Douchebag would be a good name for a band.<<

                              I vote for "The Kevin Bacon Douchebag Experience"
                              • Re: So sick of it

                                Wed, October 22, 2008 - 2:52 PM
                                "I vote for "The Kevin Bacon Douchebag Experience""

                                Seconded.

                                Their first album can be "Six Douchebags from Kevin Bacon" or "Six Degrees from Kevin Douchebag". I ain't picky.
          • Re: So sick of it

            Fri, October 17, 2008 - 10:54 AM
            Josh - I'll second Yuni on this one, it's definitely not just white Americans that move to Canada (or think about it).
            • Re: So sick of it

              Fri, October 17, 2008 - 11:13 AM
              Canada sucks too, you guys.

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                Re: So sick of it

                Fri, October 17, 2008 - 11:16 AM
                IS there anywhere that doesn't suck? Some utopia that we haven't yet named?

                -K
                • Re: So sick of it

                  Sat, October 18, 2008 - 10:13 AM
                  Looked into Uruguay. It seems to be a pretty good place. If the Repulinazis steal another election that is where my roommate and I are looking.

                  JSin
              • Re: So sick of it

                Fri, October 17, 2008 - 11:51 AM
                Elaine - Too true and we just proved it (again) by not giving a shit on one hand and ending up with our PM being someone that 2/3rds of the population who voted didn't vote for (we have no proportional representation). That said, at least having a minority government keeps 'em sorta on a leash - for instance, it meant Harper couldn't entirely deregulate and dismantle our banking system while he's been in power....or privatize the medicare system or....on the list goes. We're also in for an interesting ride up here....and we'll be hurt by the impending US poverty too. So far the only intelligent plans I've heard that are actually about creating social and economic sustainability have come from Elizabeth May, it totally sucks that she won't have a seat in the house to be able to pop some of those pompous pricks' balls inflated with hot air and affluent entitlement with a well pointed and well aimed fact. The Liberals should draft her as their next leader - though she probably has too much integrity to be offered or to take the job (and now Trudeau's won his seat and shown he can run against the Bloc....).
                • Re: So sick of it

                  Fri, October 17, 2008 - 5:49 PM
                  Yeah, what exactly happened in the Canadian elections? What was this election all about? It didn't seem to be a regularly scheduled election.
                  You all should riot and loot in the streets. Pretend a hockey team won or something!
              • Re: So sick of it

                Fri, October 17, 2008 - 1:36 PM
                <<Canada sucks too, you guys. >>

                Yeah, well every place does have their share of suckage. But for me the possibility of moving is not just about leaving the US it is also about finding a place that is a good fit for my family. Bruce has actually already had good job offers in Vancouver and can get the right to work in Canada. I might be able to work there if we relocated but even if I didn't the offers he has would still make it possible for us to live there. Believe it or not it would probably be easier for me to be employed in an EU country as a spouse of an EU citizen than in Canada.
          • Re: So sick of it

            Fri, October 17, 2008 - 5:52 PM
            "threats that we will never collectively pull the trigger on"

            Obviously, my posting was an attempt at humor, but I agree with you - it's not going to happen. Though, I must admit - I've never heard as many people including friends, family and acquaintances speak about moving to Canada as I have during this race.

            Also, in a recent survey of Canadians and Mexicans - 50% of the Mexicans and 30% of the Canadians said they'd move to the US if they had the opportunity. Now whether or not they'd actually pull up sticks and walk the talk is an entirely different matter.
            • Re: So sick of it

              Fri, October 17, 2008 - 5:58 PM
              Well, I'd buy that 50% of Mexicans would seriously consider it. A lot more of them live impoverished lives and really feel like they could gain something from a move to the US. I don't think very many Canadians are living with the sort of deep widespread poverty that is common in Mexico.
              • Re: So sick of it

                Fri, October 17, 2008 - 6:13 PM
                I propose a fact finding mission! American road trip to Canada!


                Canadians, can we crash at your place for a day or two?
                • Re: So sick of it

                  Sat, October 18, 2008 - 5:59 AM
                  Elaine - totally, the spare futon is yours!

                  Not much happened in the Canadian elections - apart from the Liberals kinda losing more seats for the most part (though Justin Trudeau, previous PM Pierre Trudeau's son, won his first seat in a somewhat tough and diverse riding against the Bloc Quebecois - Quebec's nationalist federal party that, rather ironically, started out as a separatist federal party!). Oh, and the Greens finally got included in the debates (winning almost as many votes as a the Bloc who won 50 seats but winning no seat, which is why we need a system that marries the British one with proportional representation somehow). Most of us are grouchy another election was called in the first place, particularly after Harper pushed through a law saying an election couldn't be called! It was called just because Harper wanted to try to secure a majority before his NeoCon buddies down south got wiped off the map. (He had and still has a minority government, thought this time he got even less of the popular vote I think - I'd have to check that! This is approx. our 3rd election in 6 years, my hood just voted last year in a by-election so had to go back and do it again, and it costs lots of taxpayer money. For a self proclaimed fiscal conservative, Harper's not very good at conserving taxpayer dollars....but then he's just like Bush in his approach and sense of entitlement.)

                  The big drama in Quebec was over arts and culture funds being cut rather dramatically - and Harper's government's move to try to censor and control what kind of movies get arts funding and so on - your basic neocon attitude towards the arts. Harper backpedaled furiously but it was too late for him in Quebec where people (obviously) don't consider culture to be a trivial luxury for the elite on par with sending one's daughter to ballet lessons (Harpers big claim to love culture was his daughter's ballet lessons, he wants to give tax break for this kind of thing!) It was both patronizing and clearly illustrated that many of the uber rich and elite actually wouldn't recognize culture if it walked up and bit them on their big red noses - apparently they're incapable of recognizing culture as being more than a commodity or a form of finishing school for one's children. (That said, Elizabeth May - leader of the Greens who I now have a political crush on - talked about the "creative class" and it's role in the economy, something Harper is obviously doesn't understand since for him art and artists are about propaganda and controlling "the message".) The arts cuts were a big deal across the country but in Quebec culture is very much a living, everyday thing of value for most people since it doesn't just mean art but also language and ethnicity.

                  So yeah, feel free to come visit but be aware that we've got Bush-lite in power up here. Considering how uncharismatic all our options looked next to the Entertainment Tonight style politics in the US, I'm sure most Canadians would have voted for Obama (certainly younger ones, it was a decidedly middle aged election with much talk about families and kitchen tables and so on). I think ultimately we all want less hot air and for the fuckers to stop trying to have total control (because we don't trust any of them) and to get over themselves to work together to do what's best for people not politicians.

                  In related news, which is just so Canadian, someone's been attempting to blow up a gas pipeline in BC but the RCMP and the news keep insisting it's NOT terrorism but more along the lines of troublemaking. Which is pretty interesting - though that may be because the most vocal opponents of the pipeline have been the tribes who live in the area. CSIS, our CIA type org, IS trying to make out it's terrorism but everyone else is saying totally the opposite. In related news, stolen dynamite that was recovered in Montreal wasn't terrorists but bikers (there was an ongoing biker war in Montreal that involved blowing up bars and restaurants back in the 80s, it looks like things may be heating up again).

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                    Re: So sick of it

                    Sat, October 18, 2008 - 2:30 PM
                    Wow, Canadian politics sounds like fun!



                    I had no idea you all had such a total douchebag on your hands. I knew Harper was a tool, but jeez....tool doesn't seem to quite cover it.

                    You all got term limits for these guys like we d?. I think the fact Bush can't run again is about the only thing keeping many people from rioting in the streets. I do have some hopes for rioting,if'n shenanigans occur with our upcoming elections. Which isn't completely unlikely, even.
                    • Re: So sick of it

                      Sun, October 19, 2008 - 10:41 AM
                      Being nomadic by nature,,,the trailer next to my horses is a fun place,,,

                      besides ,,, no government is forever,,,everything changes,,,

                      go where you feel alive, and dress for comfort,,,


                      I always thought of vancouver and Alberta,,,for the past few years,,,tho it won't be politics that makes me move
                    • Re: So sick of it

                      Mon, October 20, 2008 - 11:01 AM
                      Elaine - Douchebaggery is international...like the corporations that often launch it into the public sphere (often in the form of a politician....politics being douchebags inflated by hot air for the most part).

                      Actually we now have some term limit thingy (brought in by Harper) but they kinda suck and aren't a good thing in my books simply because they're more likely to *extend* the length and breadth of the douchebaggery not limit it. While it's been annoying to keep having elections, it's better than it will be when we're stuck with one of these douchebags for a set period of time rather than being able to pull the plug on them when necessary! (The last election was particularly irksome to most because Harper actually created a law about not calling elections as a means to extend his tenure which he then broke to call an election because he saw it as his best chance to get a majority and was afraid of Obama winning in the US and how that would influence the elections in Canada. He also knew the Liberals weren't really ready for an election. Plus which Canadians don't really like obviously dirty name-calling kind of politics and Harper was counting on hiding the Canadian election behind the US one by doing things like scheduling the Canadian debate the same night and time as the US one.)
                      • Re: So sick of it

                        Mon, October 20, 2008 - 11:15 AM
                        WOw, Canada has a more evil and sneaky leader than we do.
                        • Re: So sick of it

                          Mon, October 20, 2008 - 11:25 AM
                          Elaine - Not at all, they're all just low level trolls working for Karl Rove's plot to rule the earth and destroy all fun. Harper's not really much smarter or more evil than Bush (nor are his minions) or his administration.

                          These douches get away with stuff because most more or less honest and decent people can't conceive of doing that kind of evil, it just doesn't make sense unless you're a sociopath or aware how sociopaths function. That's why the marriage between the NeoCons and international corporations are so successful, they're sociopathic and their greed knows no bounds (people ARE product to be used and drained for their juicy insides, they're - or we're - workhorses used to create capital).
                          • Re: So sick of it

                            Mon, October 20, 2008 - 11:30 AM
                            >>That's why the marriage between the NeoCons and international corporations are so successful, they're sociopathic and their greed knows no bounds<<

                            oh good grief

                            it's not just "neocons" who are greedy or under the thumb of corporations.
                            • Re: So sick of it

                              Mon, October 20, 2008 - 11:42 AM
                              yeah... i don't think i'd go so far as to say Harper is evil.
                              Conniving, yes. Agenda-pushing, obviously... but i don't think he's
                              anything we haven't seen before or come to recognize in politics
                              already.

                              that said, i've never liked the 'average working people being cheated
                              by big politicians who are greedy when all we want is for life to be fair'
                              knee-jerk response that's so prevalent in situations like this.
                              • Re: So sick of it

                                Wed, October 22, 2008 - 6:43 AM
                                Nicole - Well people are selfish and greedy and then others consider it evil (that's what I mean by evil, I don't believe in invisible supernatural forces, "evil" really is pretty pedestrian a lot of the time). Obviously we vote (or don't vote) someone in power so in a democracy we're collectively responsible for the government we get (and applying pressure to change the system if we don't think it's working or to get our MPs to actually represent us or address important issues). The fact remains that Harper is a douchebag.
                            • Re: So sick of it

                              Wed, October 22, 2008 - 6:30 AM
                              wild - Of course not, it's just that the Neo-Cons* have a particularly "productive" relationship with business due to their anything goes, let's deregulate and rape the treasury/world philosophy. Liberals (at least in Canada) tend for a more sustainable bleed of the populace and give us cookies sometimes to keep our blood sugar up, while the Neo-Con strategy is less sustainable. (In fact, what lost the Liberals their last election here was a series of pork related scandals combined with just being in power for too a long stretch.) That said, there are interesting power struggles going on between the world's kazzillionaires at the moment.


                              *Just to be clear, I don't consider the Neo-Cons to be the same as Conservatives - Harper isn't old school Conservative (or Progressive Conservative as they used to be known in Canada), he's new school Rove conservative which actually involves big government in the form of prison systems and military/policing but small government in terms of social support (so tax dollars flowing into the military industrial complex and out of the public coffers and people's pockets, essentially a serf economy is being recreated where people become indentured servants to whoever holds their debt).

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