EH can often act as a mirror

topic posted Fri, November 14, 2008 - 7:53 PM by  Unsubscribed
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I've found that this tribe offers a method that draws out and often reflects back how an individual deals with conflict...even when said individual is otherwise, or seemingly, ignorant of it themselves. Sometimes it happens with the first few posts a person makes, and other times it may take weeks or months. Of course, this is all highly subjective as it's simply what I've noticed, and perhaps others have noticed something completely different. But I find it incredibly interesting nonetheless.

The BEST part is that those most comfortable posting here aren't necessarily reflecting the same characteristics. Among the *core* group, or cluster of EH members that post here regularly and comfortably, there do seem to be two shared characteristics; a B.S. detection-o-meter (for others as well as ourselves) and a healthy sense of humor. Some are laid back, casual and tend to 'go with the flow', while others may find themselves 'up in arms' more quickly. Some offer snappy one-liners sarcastic come backs while others dig down into the deepest recesses of their psyche and thesaurus. But we've all come to accept these differences, expect them to some degree and even tease the shit out of each other for them without having little hissy fits and storming out of the room (the tribe), only to come back later and pick apart what's wrong with the entire tribe as a whole.

The WORST part is that those who didn't pass the B.S. detection-o-meter do have little hissy fits, storm out of the room (the tribe) and come back at least a few times in order to pick apart what's wrong with this tribe as a whole. As if it's even possible to treat a tribe of highly individuated folks as a single unit!

But, getting back to the topic, prior to determining one's level of comfort here it seems as if there is this mirror effect taking place. Folks who consider themselves pacifists IRL may take on a rather passive-aggressive role here. Folks that considered themselves upfront and brazen IRL may find themselves acquiescing and diplomatic here. Folks who consider themselves intellectuals may find that their brand of self-righteousness is taken with a teeny, tiny grain of salt and those that see themselves as simple, good ol' boys (or girls) may find they have a profound effect on folks here. Ya just never know.

Personally, I love it here, even if it's not always warm and fuzzy...or perhaps BECAUSE of it?

-K
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  • Re: EH can often act as a mirror

    Fri, November 14, 2008 - 10:53 PM
    I think those are profound observations, K.

    I know I have rubbed some members the wrong way at times and been prone to engage in a blow-out, as many of us have, but I never understood the decision some people have made to stir up "I'm rubber and you're glue" threads or bother to psychoanalyze this tribe.

    Who has time for that?

    I also realize that is the impression I make here isn't the same I make IRL (and it's often not), then the same applies to everyone. So, poster A and I got into it and fightin' words were exchanged... is that a reflection on who they are as a whole? Of course not. After all, this is not real life and the same unspoken social behaviors do not exist here... but what is the point of going into a tribe and trying to call everyone out when you don't really know them?

    I think you'd have to be a dolt to not see that besides the occasional firestorm, there is intelligence, thoughtfulness and certainly humor. I have also seen humility and understanding. Life is too short to waste it being the 'honesty cops'.
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      Re: EH can often act as a mirror

      Fri, November 14, 2008 - 11:04 PM
      "...there is intelligence, thoughtfulness and certainly humor."

      YES!

      And, "the impression I make here isn't the same I make IRL (and it's often not), then the same applies to everyone."

      Exactly!!!

      And the same goes for me as well, quel. Eh has offered me a mirror, albeit a sometimes fractured one, but where my perception of self and the responses I receive to my posts here don't quite connect...well, that's where I need to pay attention. That's where I need to interrogate myself [first].

      -K
      • Re: EH can often act as a mirror

        Sat, November 15, 2008 - 12:44 PM
        I think it is like on of those funhouse mirrors, with an extremely distorted image...heaven help the person who uses internet exchange as their social or moral barometer. Just my opinion. There are much better sources available, I'd have to say.
        • Re: EH can often act as a mirror

          Sat, November 15, 2008 - 1:14 PM
          <<heaven help the person who uses internet exchange as their social or moral barometer. >>

          Well, that just depends on what your relationship with people you talk to online is, doesn't it?

          Me? I've spent lot of real in the flesh time with other tribers. Dined with them, seen movies and gone on road trips together. I've had tribers over to my house and many have met my mother and held my baby. Heck, I was out with a whole group of tribers when I met my husband (he isn't a triber) at a club. So for me a conversation on tribe isn't just an abstract conversation with someone I suppose I will never really connect with.
      • Re: EH can often act as a mirror

        Sat, November 15, 2008 - 8:10 PM
        I can add myself to those that are exactly as I am here... I guess I lack filters and and attention span that would;d allow me to create an ingenuous persona. Several here have met me and I have talked to a few others I have not met F2F. Most would validate that.

        When things are not going according to an expected response like K I have to look at what I have done to confuse and bewilder the reader.

        JSin
        • Re: EH can often act as a mirror

          Sun, November 16, 2008 - 6:40 PM
          I've been fotunate in meeting tribers. Met quite a few of them in Black Rock City, and I've even called one in Atlanta and one in Dallas that weren't burners. Making connections is only a part of the fun. You have to separate what everyone else may tell you about someone and make up your own mind about who a person is.
  • Re: EH can often act as a mirror

    Mon, November 17, 2008 - 7:57 AM
    I tend to argue with/dissect/discuss people's viewpoints here a little more (and I do mean "a little more"; I still do it plenty IRL) than if I were to hear/meet them in real life. This is due largely to two things:

    1. There is, on the whole, a much wider variety of viewpoints here than I encounter in my everday life. I don't discuss anything of substance with coworkers and most of my friends either share my views (mostly) or we have discussed the differences between us at length. Outsiders who feel we (EH) are being disingenuous, clique-ish, etc. will disagree, but that just means they haven't spent enough time here.

    2. The time delay between reading an opinion and reacting to it. When I hear viewpoints I have never considered before, I'm not always able to immediately decide how I feel about them, construct an argument for or against them, etc. When this happens IRL I usually give a noncommittal, "I'll have to think about that". But with the delay in response here I can affored to analyze everything and form a reasonably thought out response.

    I do analyze how people react to my posts but I have found that most of the times when people assume that I'm attacking them rather than their arguments, it has been as a result of them not giving me the benefit of the doubt. I assume this has more to do with how many people attack each other on the 'net than with being a nutjob. Although there are certainly exceptions to this rule. I try hard not to attack people when we're having a discussion. I think it not only takes away from the validity of an argument but from the overall value of the discussion.
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      Re: EH can often act as a mirror

      Mon, November 17, 2008 - 3:33 PM
      I always wonder about the just-add-water sort of guru's we often get in this tribe. Are they as insistent about imposing their beliefs on others here as they are IRL? Are they sometimes just closet guru's that feel they have so little of a voice in IRL that they grab a virtual megaphone when communicating in the virtual world? And for those of them that speak in bizarre prose, offering soundbites and fortune cookie tidbits, do they really speak like that IRL?

      For me, I would say that the biggest difference in how I communicate here vs. RL is that in RL I don't always have the chance or th time to really formulate a response to the degree that I have here. Also, IRL any editing, revising or deleting is often retroactive as there is no "SUBMIT" button IRL, so I can work on a response for several minutes- or even hours and days- when necessary. I'm actually trying to learn to do that IRL...just sit with my knee-jerk responses until they're no longer just knee-jerk responses and become fully thought out responses (well, I'm TRYING anyway).

      I also can't help but wonder about the shit stirrers...and yes, I must occasionally include myself in that subset. In my case, I'm a pretty consistent shit stirrer whether IRL or virtual and because I know this about myself I tend to consider WHY (am I just being a passive aggressive fuckwit, am I bored and seeking entertainment and amusement or is this a topic that I sincerely believe needs some stirring?) as well as HOW I'm stirring things,i.e. my methodologies. But I've encountered a few virtual shit stirrers that are just so over the top and aggressive in their stirrings (attacks?) that I think, "Hmmm...this might be a person who doesn't have any sense of power in their own lives, so they come here and fling assaults in an effort to feel powerful". I often imagine them as invalidated or emasculated little *victims* that can't wait to get online and grab their little shit slingshots.

      Now that I think about it, the just-add-water guru's may fit this criteria as well. After either slinging their shit or self-righteously pontificating about their more-Zen-than-thee perceptions, both gain that one thing they most likely don't receive IRL; a sense of self validation via the fact that *someone* actually took the time to be offended, incensed or at least reactive to them.

      Then again, I suppose I'm being reactive now....

      -K
      • Re: EH can often act as a mirror

        Tue, November 18, 2008 - 9:26 PM
        uh, say that again ??

        i think i was following most of the thought-processes, but i did not understand the punch-line... WHY are you (k) being reactive here ? it seemed like a fairly pro-active and thought-experiment type of post, rather than a reactive-one to me...

        of course, i assume that i can be qualified as one of those "sort of gurus" or "shit stirrers" depending upon who is describing me... and afaict, i am basically this way IRL also... i just got home from a tue-grp that i have been going to for years (IRL) where i was being "called out" for my guru/shit-stirring... otoh, i dont think ive been called a racist/sexist/whatever-asshole as much IRL as i seem to evoke on tribe (particularly in EH). apparently i am (sometimes) a racist/sexist/whatever-asshole to some folks - in particular to some folks here in EH - so ive just come to accept that i come-across that way when i type vs. who i am IRL.

        ive met a few tribers (via tribe into RL), ive known (pre-tribe) some folks IRL, and ive encountered some folks IRL who i later-learned were tribers... tribe is just another of the many/varied ways that folks can get to know each other... i dont think ive actually met anyone from EH tho - at least not that i can recall - since i think that would be a watershed-moment for me...

        to put a face/name to someone that i had/have a strong-opinion about via EH... yup - that would be a mirror or alice-thru-the-looking-glass moment... lol
        • Re: EH can often act as a mirror

          Sun, November 23, 2008 - 11:35 AM
          since I joined, I often just read the threads (to a certain point, when it gets really snarky that bores me instantly and I leave--so often it takes very little time to check in, hah!). Rarely post any more, often feel why get involved? But the only reason I don't leave, and do come back and check in, is the quality of mind found here. I value intelligence, I enjoy it, I revel in its expression, and more than anything I enjoy people who speak and write well and who can handle and maneuver through complex thought. This is so damn rare in my life, and it's even rather rare on Tribe. This tribe is crawling with such people. Long may it live!

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